[I18N ITS] Teleconference Minutes 2007-01-10

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Felix

   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                        i18n ITS Working Group

10 Jan 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0000.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Christian, Felix, Yves

   Regrets

   Chair
          Yves

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]action items
         2. [6]remaining ITS tagset issues
         3. [7]Test suite Comparison of the results.
         4. [8]F2f planning
         5. [9]editing BP document
         6. [10]AOB
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

action items

   <scribe> ACTION: Andrzejj to check if his implementation works with
   without the element, using xmlns instead (DROPPED) [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   Yves: let's drop this, it will be no problem to implement this
   ... you do namespace binding at the beginning of the code, it is no
   problem
   ... in DOM it's no problem

   Christian: was concerned to have a clear picture what is implemented
   by Andrzje company

   Felix: we don't need that picture to move forward from CR to PR

   Christian: what could Andrzej's company do to claim conformance with
   ITS?
   ... submit their test results? What is the relation between the test
   result page and the conformance criteria?

   Yves: you can use your own output, you don't need to use the output
   format we do

   RESOLUTION: Remove the <ns> feature from the ITS draft

   <scribe> ACTION: Editors to remove the <ns> feature from the ITS
   draft [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to check if "publication" as a form of test
   report script on w3c server is possible (DONE) [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

   Yves: it seems to be working, we noticed differences on the output

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to extract the result format for each data
   category from his implementation and send it to the list. esp.
   Sebastian and Felix to check if they can live with Yves's proposal.
   (DONE) [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

   Yves: everybody agrees on the current format
   ... we have not generated ruby, directionality, language information
   yet

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make an inheritance & overriding example
   for Andrzej and send it to him, both verify that inheritance works
   the right way. (ONGOING) [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]

   Yves: I'll send an reminder for that

   action items related to editors:

   Christian: I'll make the change for the caveats of XPath, and the
   overriding and inheritance

   <scribe> ACTION: Christian to send an update with Yves' feedback on
   AI 03. (ONGOING) [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]

   <scribe> ACTION: Editors to add to a draft s.t. about the output of
   ITS processing. (PENDING) [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]

   Yves: see sec. 5.4 " Precedence between selections"

   (Yves describes the issue)

   Yves: propose to change 5.4 like this:

   <chirLi>
   [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   079.html

     [19]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0079.html

   Yves: bullet item 3 (part of it)
   ... which talks about XLink, should be in no 2

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to rewrite sec. 5.4, group to discuss it on
   the list [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]

   <scribe> ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are
   no "CSS style elements" or the like. (PENDING) [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]

   Felix: I'll do that

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to ask Jirka about whether he wants to
   participate in ITS actively. (DONE) [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]

   Felix: just an admin question left, ready until next call I think

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to change links from the WD to examples, so
   that they link to the input data directory (DROPPED) [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]

   Felix: do we need to have the same examples?

   Yves: no, as long as both the spec examples and the test suite
   examples are valid and work

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to Jirka on the "version"
   attribute saying we don't see a lot of gain from the change. (DONE)
   [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to Jirka on the "version"
   attribute saying we don't see a lot of gain from the change. (DONE)
   [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to make the schematron fix. (DONE) [recorded
   in [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]

   change is at
   [27]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-its-20061102/#its-schematron-constr
   aints

     [27]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-its-20061102/#its-schematron-constraints

   Felix: name()='its:locNoteRule' is now self::its:locNoteRule

   [28]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#its
   -schematron-constraints

     [28]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#its-schematron-constraints

   <scribe> ACTION: Sebastian to add the XLink type attribute to the
   test suite files, Felix to do the same with the files related to the
   ODD file. (DONE) [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to add the inheritance example to CVS. (DONE)
   [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]

remaining ITS tagset issues

   <YvesS>
   [31]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&
   order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS

     [31]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS

   Yves: 3319 can be closed after edit in draft
   ... 3325 is for BP doc
   ... 4096 is for the editors currently
   ... 4098 also editors change
   ... 4099 can be closed
   ... we decided on the output and listed at
   [32]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport

     [32] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport

   Felix: agree

   Yves: new issue from Felix, see
   [33]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4152

     [33] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4152

   [34]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-its-20061102/#span.attributes

     [34] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-its-20061102/#span.attributes

   The span attributes in the schema (the ODD document) are namespace
   qualified

   Felix: the span attributes in the schema (the ODD document) are
   namespace qualified
   ... I'd propose to allow for both notations, and prefer the not
   namespace qualified version

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute
   notations on the span element [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]

Test suite Comparison of the results.

   Yves: Felix found two problems, thanks for nothing that

   <YvesS>
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http://www.w3
   .org/International/its/tests/compare.xsl&xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/I
   nternational/its/tests/input-file-list.xml&content-type=&submit=tran
   sform

     [36]
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xslfile=http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/compare.xsl&xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/input-file-list.xml&content-type=&submit=transform

   Felix: now waiting for Sebastian's implementation

F2f planning

   Yves: Please think about timing and location

editing BP document

   Christian: should we contact Diane again?

   Yves: I'll make sure the built works and contact Diane later

AOB

   Felix: I'll be away next week

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Editors to remove the <ns> feature from the ITS draft
   [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute notations
   on the span element [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to rewrite sec. 5.4, group to discuss it on the
   list [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Christian to send an update with Yves' feedback on
   AI 03. [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Editors to add to a draft s.t. about the output of
   ITS processing. [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there
   are no "CSS style elements" or the like. [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Yves to make an inheritance & overriding example
   for Andrzej and send it to him, both verify that inheritance works
   the right way. [recorded in
   [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]

   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to ask Jirka about whether he wants to
   participate in ITS actively. [recorded in
   [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to check if "publication" as a form of test
   report script on w3c server is possible [recorded in
   [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to go back to Jirka on the "version" attribute
   saying we don't see a lot of gain from the change. [recorded in
   [46]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to go back to Jirka on the "version" attribute
   saying we don't see a lot of gain from the change. [recorded in
   [47]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]
   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to make the schematron fix. [recorded in
   [48]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]
   [DONE] ACTION: Sebastian to add the XLink type attribute to the test
   suite files, Felix to do the same with the files related to the ODD
   file. [recorded in
   [49]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]
   [DONE] ACTION: Yves to add the inheritance example to CVS. [recorded
   in [50]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]
   [DONE] ACTION: Yves to extract the result format for each data
   category from his implementation and send it to the list. esp.
   Sebastian and Felix to check if they can live with Yves's proposal.
   [recorded in
   [51]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

   [DROPPED] ACTION: Andrzejj to check if his implementation works with
   without the element, using xmlns instead [recorded in
   [52]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
   [DROPPED] ACTION: Felix to change links from the WD to examples, so
   that they link to the input data directory [recorded in
   [53]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]

   [End of minutes]
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