- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:37:01 +0900
- To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html and below
as text.
- Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS WG
11 Oct 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0011.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Andrzej, Christian, Felix, Sebastian, Yves
Regrets
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]3466 issue
3. [7]CR preparation
4. [8]Test Suite
5. [9]when to reach PR phase planning
6. [10]other business
7. [11]participation in the group
* [12]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
last minutes are at
[13]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html
[13] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html
action items
<scribe> ACTION: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
(DONE) [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
Felix: if you have other ideas how to make this nicer, please tell
me
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#is
sue-3331 (DONE) [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[16]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331
Felix explains
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
003.html , which resolves the issue
[18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0003.html
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer
(DONE) [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: All to think about features at risk (ONGOING)
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
last weeks view on features at risk: the "MUST" for langRule and the
pointing mechanisms for ruby are features at risk
<scribe> ACTION: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is
ready for CR transition (ONGOING) [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
Yves: last day for changes is October 22
... please give feedback
<scribe> ACTION: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem
(PENDING) [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
see section
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/#ruby-implementation
[23] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/#ruby-implementation
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to send mails for replies to comments (DONE)
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to make the change log (DONE) [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
Yves: one item I could not add, related to Sebastians fix for the
list of attributes
<YvesS>
[26]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#cha
ngelog-since-20060518
[26]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#changelog-since-20060518
missing change is In response to issue 3514 (Attributes missing?)
NOT DONE YET!!!
3466 issue
[27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466
[27] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-minutes.html#item02
[28] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-minutes.html#item02
(link above is discussion at i18n core call)
Felix: one remaining change request: "RFC 3987" > "RFC 3987 or its
successor"
Yves: everybody on the call also fine with that change
CR preparation
[29]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html
[29] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html
Felix: I started the implementation report
"TODO: describe markup schemes in xml-i18n-bp document, say that
they will be updated."
Felix: fine with everybody to have this as the implementation of the
markup conformance type?
Christian: could we add a statement about that we need to fulfill
the conformance requirements?
Felix: this is not necessary, see
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2006&uimode=filter&filte
r=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=cr-tr&patpol=w3c&rectr
ack=yes&normative=yes&prevrec=none#docreqs
[30]
http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2006&uimode=filter&filter=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=cr-tr&patpol=w3c&rectrack=yes&normative=yes&prevrec=none#docreqs
Yves: everybody fine with this paragraph
Next question: The ITS Working Group is aware of one commercial, and
3 open source mplementations
Andrzej: we support two categories
... translate and within text
Yves: translate, within text, localization note, terminology
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/#conformance-product-process
ing-expectations
[31]
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/#conformance-product-processing-expectations
"2-2: If an application claims to process ITS markup for the global
selection mechanism, it MUST process an XLink href attribute found
on a rules elements."
Andrzej, Yves: already the case for our implementations
Sebastian: my implementation processing everything, i.e. each data
category, just the result does not work properly yet
". The three commercial implementations are under active
development,"
Felix: this is rubish , I have to clear that up
Andrzej: we support translate only globally
Yves: we do both local and local selection
Andrzej: we also process the default
Test Suite
Felix: could we come up with a basic structure for the test suite?
Yves: should be o.k.
Christian: we did some discussion already, right?
Felix: Yves, we just need somebody to gather the mail threads
Yves: I would update the test suite page after getting the threads
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to gather mail threads related to test
suite design, Yves to update the test suite page later [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
"The Internationalization Tag Set (ITS) Version 1.0 plans to conduct
interoperability tests at its next face to face meeting. TODO?"
Felix: should we have such a f2f?
Yves: for testing, it is not necessary
when to reach PR phase planning
"The Internationalization Tag Set (ITS) Working Group, working
closely with the developer community, expects to show these
implementations by December 2007. This estimate is based on the
Working Group's preliminary implementation reportTODO. The Working
Group expects to revise this report over the course of the
implementation period. The Working Group does not plan to request to
advance to...
scribe: Proposed Recommendation prior to 10 December 2006."
Felix: sorry, this is meant to be December 2006
Yves: I should be fine with that, to produce output
"The Working Group does not plan to request to advance to Proposed
Recommendation prior to 10 December 2006."
Christian: what does it mean to show the implementation?
Felix: to run the implementation against the test suite, and to have
the results available, e.g. a table describing all successful or not
successful tests
Sebastian: how to coordinate this? After self-validation?
... a f2f would be convinent to do this
Felix: if you are not sure if you can provide the tests in time,
please don't promise it now
Sebastian: do we have to test mixing of data categories?
Felix: I don't think so
Sebastian: if we have separate test files, it is easier. If the
tests are intermingled, it is difficult.
... we only compare the results of the output table, and see the
differences
Felix: we need to use the same input data for the table
Sebastian: we first need the page which says "this is a right
result, and this is wrong", e.g. to have a reporting format
... and the collection of files , if we agree what the files are,
like the examples in the spec
Yves: so we do what the planned ?
[33]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/resu
lts/Overview.html
[33]
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/results/Overview.html
Felix: we need to have such an overview
Yves: we have that already
Felix: maybe I was just too concerned
Sebastian: the time scale would be six weeks for now?
Yves: yes, 10 of December
Sebastian: so the end of December is fine to leave PR
other business
Felix: regrets for next week, traveling
participation in the group
Christian: some people have not participated for some time
Felix: might become an issue for the next charter, if the companies
don't support the new charter
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Christian to gather mail threads related to test suite
design, Yves to update the test suite page later [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: All to think about features at risk [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is
ready for CR transition [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for
[38]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue
[40]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#is
sue-3331 [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer
[recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to make the change log [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to send mails for replies to comments [recorded
in [44]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[38] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
[40]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331
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