- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:37:01 +0900
- To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html and below as text. - Felix [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ i18n ITS WG 11 Oct 2006 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0011.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-irc Attendees Present Andrzej, Christian, Felix, Sebastian, Yves Regrets Chair Yves Scribe Felix Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]action items 2. [6]3466 issue 3. [7]CR preparation 4. [8]Test Suite 5. [9]when to reach PR phase planning 6. [10]other business 7. [11]participation in the group * [12]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ last minutes are at [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html [13] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html action items <scribe> ACTION: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for [14]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html (DONE) [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action01] [14] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html Felix: if you have other ideas how to make this nicer, please tell me <scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue [16]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#is sue-3331 (DONE) [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action02] [16] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331 Felix explains [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0 003.html , which resolves the issue [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0003.html <scribe> ACTION: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer (DONE) [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action03] <scribe> ACTION: All to think about features at risk (ONGOING) [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action04] last weeks view on features at risk: the "MUST" for langRule and the pointing mechanisms for ruby are features at risk <scribe> ACTION: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is ready for CR transition (ONGOING) [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action05] Yves: last day for changes is October 22 ... please give feedback <scribe> ACTION: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem (PENDING) [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action06] see section [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/#ruby-implementation [23] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/#ruby-implementation <scribe> ACTION: Yves to send mails for replies to comments (DONE) [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action07] <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make the change log (DONE) [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action08] Yves: one item I could not add, related to Sebastians fix for the list of attributes <YvesS> [26]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#cha ngelog-since-20060518 [26] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#changelog-since-20060518 missing change is In response to issue 3514 (Attributes missing?) NOT DONE YET!!! 3466 issue [27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466 [27] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466 [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-minutes.html#item02 [28] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-minutes.html#item02 (link above is discussion at i18n core call) Felix: one remaining change request: "RFC 3987" > "RFC 3987 or its successor" Yves: everybody on the call also fine with that change CR preparation [29]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html [29] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html Felix: I started the implementation report "TODO: describe markup schemes in xml-i18n-bp document, say that they will be updated." Felix: fine with everybody to have this as the implementation of the markup conformance type? Christian: could we add a statement about that we need to fulfill the conformance requirements? Felix: this is not necessary, see [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2006&uimode=filter&filte r=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=cr-tr&patpol=w3c&rectr ack=yes&normative=yes&prevrec=none#docreqs [30] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2006&uimode=filter&filter=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=cr-tr&patpol=w3c&rectrack=yes&normative=yes&prevrec=none#docreqs Yves: everybody fine with this paragraph Next question: The ITS Working Group is aware of one commercial, and 3 open source mplementations Andrzej: we support two categories ... translate and within text Yves: translate, within text, localization note, terminology [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/#conformance-product-process ing-expectations [31] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/#conformance-product-processing-expectations "2-2: If an application claims to process ITS markup for the global selection mechanism, it MUST process an XLink href attribute found on a rules elements." Andrzej, Yves: already the case for our implementations Sebastian: my implementation processing everything, i.e. each data category, just the result does not work properly yet ". The three commercial implementations are under active development," Felix: this is rubish , I have to clear that up Andrzej: we support translate only globally Yves: we do both local and local selection Andrzej: we also process the default Test Suite Felix: could we come up with a basic structure for the test suite? Yves: should be o.k. Christian: we did some discussion already, right? Felix: Yves, we just need somebody to gather the mail threads Yves: I would update the test suite page after getting the threads <scribe> ACTION: Christian to gather mail threads related to test suite design, Yves to update the test suite page later [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action09] "The Internationalization Tag Set (ITS) Version 1.0 plans to conduct interoperability tests at its next face to face meeting. TODO?" Felix: should we have such a f2f? Yves: for testing, it is not necessary when to reach PR phase planning "The Internationalization Tag Set (ITS) Working Group, working closely with the developer community, expects to show these implementations by December 2007. This estimate is based on the Working Group's preliminary implementation reportTODO. The Working Group expects to revise this report over the course of the implementation period. The Working Group does not plan to request to advance to... scribe: Proposed Recommendation prior to 10 December 2006." Felix: sorry, this is meant to be December 2006 Yves: I should be fine with that, to produce output "The Working Group does not plan to request to advance to Proposed Recommendation prior to 10 December 2006." Christian: what does it mean to show the implementation? Felix: to run the implementation against the test suite, and to have the results available, e.g. a table describing all successful or not successful tests Sebastian: how to coordinate this? After self-validation? ... a f2f would be convinent to do this Felix: if you are not sure if you can provide the tests in time, please don't promise it now Sebastian: do we have to test mixing of data categories? Felix: I don't think so Sebastian: if we have separate test files, it is easier. If the tests are intermingled, it is difficult. ... we only compare the results of the output table, and see the differences Felix: we need to use the same input data for the table Sebastian: we first need the page which says "this is a right result, and this is wrong", e.g. to have a reporting format ... and the collection of files , if we agree what the files are, like the examples in the spec Yves: so we do what the planned ? [33]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/resu lts/Overview.html [33] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/results/Overview.html Felix: we need to have such an overview Yves: we have that already Felix: maybe I was just too concerned Sebastian: the time scale would be six weeks for now? Yves: yes, 10 of December Sebastian: so the end of December is fine to leave PR other business Felix: regrets for next week, traveling participation in the group Christian: some people have not participated for some time Felix: might become an issue for the next charter, if the companies don't support the new charter Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Christian to gather mail threads related to test suite design, Yves to update the test suite page later [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] ACTION: All to think about features at risk [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is ready for CR transition [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] ACTION: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for [38]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] ACTION: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue [40]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#is sue-3331 [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action02] [DONE] ACTION: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] ACTION: Yves to make the change log [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action08] [DONE] ACTION: Yves to send mails for replies to comments [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-i18nits-minutes.html#action07] [38] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html [40] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331 [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [45]scribe.perl version 1.127 ([46]CVS log) $Date: 2006/10/11 15:25:06 $ [45] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [46] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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