[I18N ITS] Teleconference Minutes 2006-10-04

... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html and below
as text. Sorry for the delay.

- Felix


   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                        i18n ITS Working Group

4 Oct 2006

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0002.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Christian, Felix, Sebastian, Yves

   Regrets
          Andrzej, Richard

   Chair
          Yves

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]action items
         2. [6]issues not closed
         3. [7]things to do for CR preparation
         4. [8]discussion of (new) charter
     * [9]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

   <scribe> agenda:
   [10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   002.html

     [10]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0002.html

action items

   <scribe> ACTION: All to think about features at risk (ONGOING)
   [recorded in
   [11]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   Yves: posted a list

   Felix: I would say we need to list at least the ruby attributes used
   for pointing
   ... Sebastian and me can work on everything , right?

   Sebastian: yes. What we do is just "reporting"

   Felix: that is enough

   Sebastian: it is not guarenteed that it happens simuntaneously,
   might be a pipeline

   Yves: so all features would be twice, maybe even more
   ... do we need really the ruby pointers as features at risk

   Sebastian: might technically make sense

   [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
   425.html

     [12]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0425.html

   Felix: do we need to mark the MUST in the statement as a feature at
   risk?

   Yves: I don't see the problem

   (Christian reformulates the mail)

   Yves: we could put this as features at risk, although I'm not sure
   what the problem is
   ... what would happen if we have this as feature at risk and nobody
   implements it?

   felix: we would have to remove the MUST statement and have a
   non-normative reference to RFC 4646

   Christian: our conformance clauses don't go to the level of values
   ... for the processing expectations

   Yves: let's flag it, just to be sure

   RESOLUTION: the "MUST" for langRule and the pointing mechanisms for
   ruby are features at risk

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to make the change "not possible" with "not
   applicable" and go back to i18n core (DONE) [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   Felix: did the change. This was not an i18n core comment

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to add sumaries for issues in Bugzilla (DONE)
   by Felix ;) [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to send mails for replies to comments
   (ONGOING) [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

   [16]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html

     [16] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue
   [17]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#is
   sue-3331 [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]

     [17]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331

   <scribe> ACTION: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is
   ready for CR transition (ONGOING) [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]

   <scribe> ACTION: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem
   (PENDING) [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]

   Yves: we could find a workaround
   ... the other problem is more important, that is the list of
   attributes

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer
   [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]

issues not closed

   see [22]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/issues

     [22] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/issues

   Yves: let's vote for CR today, given that the open issues are
   resolved

   Sebastian: o.k.

   RESOLUTION: WG votes for CR under the condition that issues
   [23]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 and
   [24]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466 are closed

     [23] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3514
     [24] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466

things to do for CR preparation

   see
   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   005.html

     [25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0005.html

   Yves volunteers to do the change log

   [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2006JulSep/0027.html

     [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2006JulSep/0027.html

   Sebastian: I will do the implementation report tonight

   Yves: other things to do?

   [27]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html

     [27] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html

   Yves: fine with the presentation. I don't like the colors so much
   ... maybe have more space between each issue
   ... and have at the end of the doc s.t. like "this is the end"

   <scribe> ACTION: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for
   [28]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
   [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]

     [28] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html

discussion of (new) charter

   Yves: have not thought about that much yet

   Sebastian: no thought about that yet

   Christian: work on errata
   ... helping people with implementations

   Felix: for example test suite productions?

   Christian: plays a role

   Yves: trying to evangalize

   Christian: yes. But main point would be to do errata
   ... and to ensure interoperability

   Felix: how about issue
   [30]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 ? Is it o.k.
   to postone it?

     [30] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126

   Christian: not sure
   ... depends on the timeline

   Felix: we could also have a short charter e.g. for 10 months, and
   have a new one after that with new features in ITS 1.x

   Yves: the BP document should be in the new charter as well

   Adjourn

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for
   [31]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
   [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue
   [33]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#is
   sue-3331 [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer
   [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to add sumaries for issues in Bugzilla (DONE) by
   Felix ;) [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

     [31] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
     [33]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331

   [PENDING] ACTION: All to think about features at risk [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is
   ready for CR transition [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem
   [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Yves to send mails for replies to comments
   [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to make the change "not possible" with "not
   applicable" and go back to i18n core [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   [End of minutes]
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