[I18N ITS] Teleconference Minutes 2006-07-31 ssues list updated) from Felix Sasaki on 2006-08-01 (public-i18n-its@w3.org from July to September 2006)

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:34:41 +0900
To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
Message-ID: <44CEAFB1.8040007@w3.org>
... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html and below
as text.

I also updated the issues list, see
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/issues , except for
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459 : Yves did his action
at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0255.html
, I still have to do mine .


Cheers,

Felix



   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                        i18n ITS working group

31 Jul 2006

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Felix, Yves

   Regrets
   Chair
          Yves

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3456
         2. [5]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459
         3. [6]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466
         4. [7]discussion about language
         5. [8]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3481
         6. [9]3482
         7. [10]3494
         8. [11]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495
         9. [12]3501
        10. [13]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509
        11. [14]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511
        12. [15]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513
        13. [16]next calls
     * [17]Summary of Action Items
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[18]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3456

     [18] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3456

   Yves proposal:

   "It is generally recommended to avoid using attribute to store text,
   however,

   in this specific case, the need to provide the notes without
   interfering with

   the structure of the host document is outweighing the drawbacks of
   using an

   attribute.

   resolution: go back to i18n core with the text proposal

[19]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459

     [19] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459

   <its:locInfoRule ...><its:locInfo its:translate="yes"> ...

   <its:locInfoRule ...><its:locInfo its:locInfo="Something"> ...

   <its:locInfoRule ... its:select="//*"><its:locInfo
   its:locInfo="Something"> ...

   <its:locInfoRule ... select="//*"><its:locInfo
   its:locInfo="Something"> ...

   Yves: normal processing for ITS markup about ITS markup
   ... that is: local has precedence over global, also in the examples
   above

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to try in his implementation of ITS markup
   about ITS markup in the case of locNote works [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   Yves: locNote, termInfo, ruby (with rt / rb), span
   ... are elements with textual content
   ... problem would be ruby

   element span { inline except ruby }

   rt or rb { inline except ruby }

   rt or rb { inline except ruby and except span }

   rt or rb { inline except ruby and except its:span }

   rt or rb { inline except its:ruby and except its:span }

   Felix: how about adding local markup to inline elements, without
   its:span?

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to draft a text how to work-around the
   problem of arbitrary nesting of its:span in ruby [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

[22]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466

     [22] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466

   Felix proposal at
   [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
   253.html

     [23]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0253.html

   Yves agrees

   Conformance of the schemas with respect to IRIs doesn't work since
   it depends on the schema language

   However, people should expect an IRI if they process the "xxxRef"
   values

   resolution:
   [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
   253.html plus today's discussion

     [24]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0253.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to draft a text for the role of IRIs before
   and after ITS processing [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

discussion about language

   concerns 3468, 3515 and others

   Yves: question which remains: is xml:lang normative or not?

   <its:langRule select="//*" langInfoPointer="xml:lang |
   myns:myLangAttr"/>

   let $french := //`

   [lang()=fr]

   let $french := //* [lang()="fr"]

   <its:langRule select="//*" langInfoPointer="xml:lang |
   myns:myLangAttr"/>

   <its:langRule select="//*" langInfoPointer="lang()="fr" |
   myns:myLangAttr['fr']"/>

   resolution: stick with the text we have, decide for now that it is
   non-normative

   <its:langRule select="//*" langInfoPointer="xml:lang |
   myns:myLangAttr"/>

   [26]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#selection-defaults-etc

     [26] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#selection-defaults-etc

   <its:langRule selector="//text"
   langPointer="preceding-sibling::langcode"/>

   <YvesS> langPointer="../langcode"/

   Example c) at
   [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
   162.html is a valid example

     [27]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0162.html

   our resolution works also for 3469

   and 3480

[28]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3481

     [28] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3481

   resolution: don't change the name of translatability, go back to
   i18n core

3482

   already closed, Felix has to go back to WG

3494

   action for Felix left

[29]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495

     [29] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495

   Felix: looks good to me

   Yves: the WG needs to look at it

3501

   resolved via 3502

[30]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509

     [30] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509

   Felix: that might take until September

[31]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511

     [31] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511

   Felix: new example looks fine to me

   same for [32]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3512

     [32] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3512

[33]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513

     [33] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513

   Yves: I'll write a paragraph about this

next calls

   Yves: no call this week, too many people on vacation

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to send the i18n core comments with
   resolutions back to i18n core [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to draft a text for the role of IRIs before and
   after ITS processing [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to draft a text how to work-around the problem
   of arbitrary nesting of its:span in ruby [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to send the i18n core comments with resolutions
   back to i18n core [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to try in his implementation of ITS markup about
   ITS markup in the case of locNote works [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   [End of minutes]
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