- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:26:35 +0900
- To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
- Message-ID: <44CA3ABB.30604@w3.org>
... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html and below as text. I also updated the issues list, see http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/issues . Cheers, Felix [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ i18n ITS working group 28 Jul 2006 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0101.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-irc Attendees Present Christian, Diane, Felix, Richard, Yves Regrets Andrzej, Sebastian Chair Yves Scribe Felix Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459 2. [6]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466 3. [7]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3491 4. [8]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494 5. [9]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495 6. [10]call on Monday 7. [11]conference in London in November 8. [12]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500#c2 9. [13]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502 * [14]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <YvesS> [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0 101.html [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0101.html Yves: these are the topics for today [16]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459 [16] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459 Yves describes the issue Yves just send a mail about that, see [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0 249.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0249.html rb Common (PCDATA | Inline - ruby)* Felix describes the mail Felix: we have to think through the processing changes as well ... e.g. about arbitrary nesting of ITS markup Yves: so we have to think this through <scribe> ACTION: Working group to think through processing implications about applying ITS markup to other ITS markup [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action01] [19]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466 [19] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466 <YvesS> [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0 120.html [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0120.html <YvesS> [[2-2: If an application claims to process ITS markup for the ruby data <YvesS> category or the directionality data category *in their local usages*, it <YvesS> MUST be compliant with the external specifications referenced for ruby <YvesS> or directionality.]] Yves: Felix said we should say: the conformance of external specs for ruby applies only for local and not for global rules Felix: and for directionality Yves: I'm fine with that ... but the second part of the question: do we need global rules for XHTML ... you say no? felix: do we want the HTML WG to add ITS markup to their scheme? <YvesS> RI: I'm also wondering whether XHTML 1.1 would need such global rules. If it does, <YvesS> it would be a good example to cite. Felix: sorry, I misunderstood, I agree with you and Richard Yves: should we change 2.2 as Felix proposed at [21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0 120.html ? ... no objections? [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0120.html Richard: what spec do you use for directionality? Felix: XHTML 2.0 . We might have to change that later if XHTML 2.0 is not a REC in time Richard: if people use their own local markup for ruby ... what happens? ... if they use global rules ... does that mean they are compliant to ruby? Felix: what would happen to implementations that use ruby? ... what is the consequenses of associating them with ITS, like for directionality : <its:dirRule select"//p" dir="rtl"/> Felix: I don't know how to implement that, e.g. dir plus the bidirectional algorithm Yves: we don't have the need that ITS processes what dir or ruby allows to process Felix: I agree, that is what my proposal of 2-2 says at [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0 120.html [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0120.html [[2-2: If an application claims to process ITS markup for the ruby data category or the directionality data category *in their local usages*, it MUST be compliant with the external specifications referenced for ruby or directionality.]] <YvesS> 2-2: If an application claims to process ITS markup for the ruby data category or the directionality data category, it MUST be compliant with the external specifications referenced for ruby or directionality. Richard: how about dropping this conformance clause? ... ITS is related to identifying what s.t. is Yves: yes, an ITS processor does not have to implement ruby display, also in the local case Richard: I had discussions what xml:lang means with the SSML people ... just talking about the markup is easier Yves: but we have to talk about the semantics [23]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3491 [23] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3491 <YvesS> [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0 201 [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0201 Example 22 and 23 Yves: do the ITS people agree with the example? Could we go back to i18n core with it? Christian: I'm fine with the examples Yves: resolution, we go back to the i18n core wg Felix: I will make that for this and all other i18n core resolved issues on the weekend or next week [25]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494 [25] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494 Yves: I would propose not to change the naming of the attribute , Martin and Felix convinced me ... everybody fine with that? Richard: the difference between ref and pointer is sometimes difficult ... to remember Christian: I followed the discussion, I think we should stick with the current names Yves: o.k. ... Felix, did you do your action item on the data type explanation? Felix: no, pending [26]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495 [26] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495 <YvesS> [27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 [27] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 (Proposal from Yves) Richard: will you not change the name of the data category? Yves: no, we did not planned to ... should I rework the wording? (discussion about terms like "phrasal" and "inline" elements, or other terminology) Yves: do the others like my rewording? Christian: I'm not fine with the name "elements within text". The explanatory text is fine (various terms proposals: sub flow, ...) Felix, Richard: you could have examples in the definition section Richard: you also have to say that applications makes different uses of this ... which is fine <scribe> ACTION: Yves to reword [28]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 taking today's discussion into account [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action02] [28] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 call on Monday Yves: who can come? Christian, Diane, Richard: can't come Yves: so only Felix and me will be on the call conference in London in November Christian: November 16 - 17 Richard: overlaps with Unicode Felix: don't know if I can go to Unicode, but can't promise Richard: it's a good place to talk about ITS, I think Christian: we only need to say who could present ... they would be happy to let us talk ... could I answer them saying that we continue to discuss who would present Felix: I would propose you, Christian Christian: I'd like to check with Sebastian [30]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500#c2 [30] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500#c2 <YvesS> [31]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 [31] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 Yves: example where directionality uses different markup <its:rules xmlns:its="[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its" its:version="1.0"> [32] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its <its:dirRule dir="rtl" selector="//*[@direction='rtlText']"/> </its:rules> Richard: I would put the selector attribute first in the example Yves: o.k. , everybody is fine with that [33]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502 [33] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502 Yves proposal at [34]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502#c3 [34] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502#c3 Yves: how do we visualize that in the spec? Richard: good question ... I can show you what I did recently <r12a> [35]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html [35] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html <r12a> [36]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri2 0030726.140315918 [36] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20030726.140315918 Richard: if that does not work, you could have a picture <r12a> [37]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri2 0060712.105633805 [37] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20060712.105633805 <scribe> ACTION: editors to make the visualization of the directionality example work [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action03] <r12a> [39]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri2 0060712.10592785 [39] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20060712.10592785 Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: editors to make the visualization of the directionality example work [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Working group to think through processing implications about applying ITS markup to other ITS markup [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to reword [42]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 taking today's discussion into account [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action02] [42] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [44]scribe.perl version 1.127 ([45]CVS log) $Date: 2006/07/28 16:24:20 $ [44] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [45] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
Received on Friday, 28 July 2006 16:27:01 UTC