- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:26:35 +0900
- To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
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... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html
and below as text.
I also updated the issues list, see
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/issues .
Cheers,
Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS working group
28 Jul 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0101.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Christian, Diane, Felix, Richard, Yves
Regrets
Andrzej, Sebastian
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459
2. [6]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466
3. [7]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3491
4. [8]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494
5. [9]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495
6. [10]call on Monday
7. [11]conference in London in November
8. [12]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500#c2
9. [13]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502
* [14]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<YvesS>
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
101.html
[15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0101.html
Yves: these are the topics for today
[16]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459
[16] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459
Yves describes the issue
Yves just send a mail about that, see
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
249.html
[17]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0249.html
rb Common (PCDATA | Inline - ruby)*
Felix describes the mail
Felix: we have to think through the processing changes as well
... e.g. about arbitrary nesting of ITS markup
Yves: so we have to think this through
<scribe> ACTION: Working group to think through processing
implications about applying ITS markup to other ITS markup [recorded
in [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[19]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466
[19] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466
<YvesS>
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
120.html
[20]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0120.html
<YvesS> [[2-2: If an application claims to process ITS markup for
the ruby data
<YvesS> category or the directionality data category *in their local
usages*, it
<YvesS> MUST be compliant with the external specifications
referenced for ruby
<YvesS> or directionality.]]
Yves: Felix said we should say: the conformance of external specs
for ruby applies only for local and not for global rules
Felix: and for directionality
Yves: I'm fine with that
... but the second part of the question: do we need global rules for
XHTML
... you say no?
felix: do we want the HTML WG to add ITS markup to their scheme?
<YvesS> RI: I'm also wondering whether XHTML 1.1 would need such
global rules. If it does,
<YvesS> it would be a good example to cite.
Felix: sorry, I misunderstood, I agree with you and Richard
Yves: should we change 2.2 as Felix proposed at
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
120.html ?
... no objections?
[21]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0120.html
Richard: what spec do you use for directionality?
Felix: XHTML 2.0 . We might have to change that later if XHTML 2.0
is not a REC in time
Richard: if people use their own local markup for ruby
... what happens?
... if they use global rules
... does that mean they are compliant to ruby?
Felix: what would happen to implementations that use ruby?
... what is the consequenses of associating them with ITS, like for
directionality :
<its:dirRule select"//p" dir="rtl"/>
Felix: I don't know how to implement that, e.g. dir plus the
bidirectional algorithm
Yves: we don't have the need that ITS processes what dir or ruby
allows to process
Felix: I agree, that is what my proposal of 2-2 says at
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
120.html
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0120.html
[[2-2: If an application claims to process ITS markup for the ruby
data
category or the directionality data category *in their local
usages*, it
MUST be compliant with the external specifications referenced for
ruby
or directionality.]]
<YvesS> 2-2: If an application claims to process ITS markup for the
ruby data category or the directionality data category, it MUST be
compliant with the external specifications referenced for ruby or
directionality.
Richard: how about dropping this conformance clause?
... ITS is related to identifying what s.t. is
Yves: yes, an ITS processor does not have to implement ruby display,
also in the local case
Richard: I had discussions what xml:lang means with the SSML people
... just talking about the markup is easier
Yves: but we have to talk about the semantics
[23]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3491
[23] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3491
<YvesS>
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
201
[24]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0201
Example 22 and 23
Yves: do the ITS people agree with the example? Could we go back to
i18n core with it?
Christian: I'm fine with the examples
Yves: resolution, we go back to the i18n core wg
Felix: I will make that for this and all other i18n core resolved
issues on the weekend or next week
[25]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494
[25] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494
Yves: I would propose not to change the naming of the attribute ,
Martin and Felix convinced me
... everybody fine with that?
Richard: the difference between ref and pointer is sometimes
difficult
... to remember
Christian: I followed the discussion, I think we should stick with
the current names
Yves: o.k.
... Felix, did you do your action item on the data type explanation?
Felix: no, pending
[26]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495
[26] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495
<YvesS> [27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1
[27] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1
(Proposal from Yves)
Richard: will you not change the name of the data category?
Yves: no, we did not planned to
... should I rework the wording?
(discussion about terms like "phrasal" and "inline" elements, or
other terminology)
Yves: do the others like my rewording?
Christian: I'm not fine with the name "elements within text". The
explanatory text is fine
(various terms proposals: sub flow, ...)
Felix, Richard: you could have examples in the definition section
Richard: you also have to say that applications makes different uses
of this
... which is fine
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to reword
[28]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 taking
today's discussion into account [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[28] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1
call on Monday
Yves: who can come?
Christian, Diane, Richard: can't come
Yves: so only Felix and me will be on the call
conference in London in November
Christian: November 16 - 17
Richard: overlaps with Unicode
Felix: don't know if I can go to Unicode, but can't promise
Richard: it's a good place to talk about ITS, I think
Christian: we only need to say who could present
... they would be happy to let us talk
... could I answer them saying that we continue to discuss who would
present
Felix: I would propose you, Christian
Christian: I'd like to check with Sebastian
[30]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500#c2
[30] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3500#c2
<YvesS> [31]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1
[31] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1
Yves: example where directionality uses different markup
<its:rules xmlns:its="[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its"
its:version="1.0">
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its
<its:dirRule dir="rtl" selector="//*[@direction='rtlText']"/>
</its:rules>
Richard: I would put the selector attribute first in the example
Yves: o.k. , everybody is fine with that
[33]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502
[33] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502
Yves proposal at
[34]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502#c3
[34] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3502#c3
Yves: how do we visualize that in the spec?
Richard: good question
... I can show you what I did recently
<r12a>
[35]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html
[35] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html
<r12a>
[36]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri2
0030726.140315918
[36]
http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20030726.140315918
Richard: if that does not work, you could have a picture
<r12a>
[37]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri2
0060712.105633805
[37]
http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20060712.105633805
<scribe> ACTION: editors to make the visualization of the
directionality example work [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
<r12a>
[39]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri2
0060712.10592785
[39]
http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20060712.10592785
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: editors to make the visualization of the
directionality example work [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Working group to think through processing implications
about applying ITS markup to other ITS markup [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to reword
[42]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1 taking
today's discussion into account [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/28-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[42] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495#c1
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