- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:24:30 +0900
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... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html
and below as text.
- Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS working group
24 Jul 2006
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Christian, Felix, Richard, Yves
Regrets
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126
2. [5]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3290
3. [6]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3292
4. [7]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3492
5. [8]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494
6. [9]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495
7. [10]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496
8. [11]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3497
9. [12]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3498
* [13]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
[14]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126
[14] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126
proposal for a solution at
[15]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126#c1
[15] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126#c1
Yves describes the proposal from Felix
Yves: how do you make the distinction at b)?
Felix: you would need additional information
... e.g. an attribute as a "trigger"
<YvesS> <img its:translate="yes" its:translateObject="yes"
src="myimg.png" alt="My image"/>
Felix: we still would not be able to identify the src attribute
Yves: I can see the trigger at the global level
... but locally, you may have to define things for both cases
... i.e. the content and the object
Christian: I see the problem for the local case
Yves: would the trigger answer your concern, that we don't have
anything for an object?
Christian repeats the requirement
Felix: should we make an substantive change now?
Christian: we should not address this now, if it takes an
substantive change
Yves: we should kit the proposal that Felix made and discuss for the
next version of ITS
Christian: I already came up with many cases
Yves: so let's pospone that for this version of ITS
[16]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3290
[16] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3290
<YvesS>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
068.html
[17]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0068.html
Yves: why my name in it?
Christian: I got the text from one article of you??
Yves: it's o.k. without citing me
... wording looks good to me
Felix: +1
Yves: let's have this as the official answer
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to Karl with our resolution on
[18]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3290 recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[18] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3290
[20]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3292
[20] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3292
Yves: we discussed that already a bit
related bug at
[21]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3331
[21] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3331
Felix: I wrote a personal reply to the HTML WG, see
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
061.html
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0061.html
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to get back to the HTML WG to schedule call /
discussion of XHTML Mod bug [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
Felix: would you agree with my reply? Could I sent it as a WG reply?
Christian: We have a misunderstanding with respect to
"modularization"
... XHTML modularization is an established term
... the way we use "modularization" does not fit with our use
Yves: the term "modularization" is not in the ITS draft anymore,
only in the BP document
Christian: for e.g. DITA and DocBook, what do we want to provide?
Yves: we just have BP how to use ITS, we have nothing people *have*
to use?
Felix: is a key difference that ITS is very free in combining markup
declarations
... if you look at the conformance section
[24]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#conformance-product-schema : you have
a lot of combinations of markup declarations, too many for normative
modules
[24] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#conformance-product-schema
Christian: somebody who uses ITS has to say what is applicable in
her context
... as for XHTML, we have to see what is necessary in that given
context
... so, an XHTML module will not need ruby and dir, because it
understands it natively
... could we put this in the next charter?
Yves: not sure, it bothers me that this should be normative
Felix: I think the HTML WG wants us to use the XHTML Modularization
framework for the whole ITS spec
Yves: is the comment only about XHTML or ITS as a whole?
See their proposal:
> Modularisation allows you to add markup modules to a language so
that
> you build a language using building bricks rather than defining
elements
> and attributes separately. This helps consistency between related
> families of markup languages. We think that defining an ITS module
would
> be a good way to help people get ITS into their markup languages.
> Modularization is schema-language neutral. Once you have defined a
> module, you can 'implement' it in any number of schema languages,
such
> as DTD, XML Schema or Relax. We're not sure what you mean by
> 'proprietary' here.
<chriLi> I'll be back in a minute
Felix: that sounds to me that they want to have XHTML modularization
normatively
<scribe> ACTION: The whole WG to look at the XHTML modularization
comment and Felix reply proposal at
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
061.html [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0061.html
<YvesS> [27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3492
[27] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3492
<YvesS> <Res>
<YvesS> - <prolog>
<YvesS> - <its:rules xmlns:its="[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its"
its:version="1.0">
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its
<YvesS> <its:translateRule selector="//msg/notes" translate="no" />
<YvesS> <its:locNoteRule locInfoType="description"
selector="//msg/data" locNotePointer="../notes" />
<YvesS> </its:rules>
<YvesS> </prolog>
<YvesS> - <body>
<YvesS> - <msg id="FileNotFound">
<YvesS> <notes>Indicates that the resource file {0} could not be
loaded.</notes>
<YvesS> <data>Cannot find the file {0}.</data>
<YvesS> </msg>
<YvesS> - <msg id="DivByZero">
<YvesS> <notes>A division by 0 was going to be computed.</notes>
<YvesS> <data>Invalid parameter.</data>
<YvesS> </msg>
<YvesS> </body>
<YvesS> </Res>
[29]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3492
[29] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3492
Yves: the change is fine with me
[30]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494
[30] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494
Yves: I agree with the comment
... how to make it clearer?
... maybe with the definitions?
<YvesS> [31]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494
[31] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3494
Richard: it does not say that you should point to an URI
Christian: we have several attributes which could be called "xxxURI"
instead of "xxxRef"
... e.g we would have "xxxUriPointer"
Felix: is renaming necessary?
Richard: having a sentence which says "the attribute must contain an
URI" would be good
... that's what I thought
<r12a> correction: The location pointed to by termInfoRefPointer
must contain a URI.
Yves: being able to fix that with a sentence would be good
... having an extra paragraph talking about the generality of ref,
and saying that these are URIs, might be good
Felix: I would be worried about the must
Richard: it is a lower case must
Felix: oh, I see
Richard: how about changing "termInfoRefPointer" to
"termInfoPointerRef"?
Discussion of the role of the attribute
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to make a better explanation of the data type
of the "termInfoRef" attribute [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to check where we have to make changes for the
the terminology "ref" to "URI" [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[34]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495
[34] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495
Yves: I made a proposal, you can see if it works better with you
[35]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496
[35] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496
"standardized wording"
Richard: very editorial
... but every data category says the same think in a different way
Yves: true
... it is also more difficult where the paragraphs for global and
local is
Felix: good idea (added after the meeting)
Christian: agree
<scribe> ACTION: editors to make the change described at
[36]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496 recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[36] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496
[38]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3497
[38] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3497
Yves: editorial
... agree
<scribe> ACTION: editors to make the change for
[39]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496 recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[39] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496
[41]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3498
[41] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3498
<r12a> [42]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3498
[42] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3498
<r12a> proposed action for felix: remove duplication
Felix: good idea
<scribe> ACTION: editors to implement
[43]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[43] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3498
<scribe> scribeNick: fsasaki
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: editors to make the change described at
[45]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496 recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: editors to make the change for
[47]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496 recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW]ACTION: editors to implement
[49]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to get back to the HTML WG to schedule call /
discussion of XHTML Mod bug [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to go back to Karl with our resolution on
[52]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3290 recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to make a better explanation of the data type of
the "termInfoRef" attribute [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: The whole WG to look at the XHTML modularization
comment and Felix reply proposal at
[55]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0
061.html [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to check where we have to make changes for the
the terminology "ref" to "URI" [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[45] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496
[47] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496
[49] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3498
[52] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3290
[55]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0061.html
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