[I18N ITS (editor's call)] Teleconference Minutes 2006-03-31

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- Felix


   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                i18n ITS working group (editor's call)

31 Mar 2006

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2006/03/31-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Christian, Felix, Yves

   Regrets
   Chair
          Yves

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]translatability in DITA
         2. [5]naming issue: data category?
         3. [6]naming issues: tag set
         4. [7]naming issue: localization property
         5. [8]draft text and usage of "overwriting"
         6. [9]editing environment
         7. [10]change of the schema design
         8. [11]rules element with prefixed attributes?
     * [12]Summary of Action Items
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translatability in DITA

   <its:translateRule select="//*[name()='a' or ...] translate="yes"

   <its:translateRule select="//*[name()='b' or ...] translate="no"

   examples from Yves:
   [13]http://okapi.translate.com/Utilities/ITSTest.aspx

     [13] http://okapi.translate.com/Utilities/ITSTest.aspx

   Yves: for third <p> element, it is very difficult to mimic this with
   ITS
   ... translate "yes" in DITA means: only what is "usually"
   translatable again

   Christian: we do "pointing" with our rules
   ... but the computation of values differs in DITA

   felix: how would we solve this for DITA?

   Christian: two possibilities:
   ... creating ITS for an arbitrary computation of values
   ... no 2: we say this is "pointing", and this is only valid in very
   restricted environments
   ... or we try to create ITS mechanisms which are able to mimic DITAs
   behavior

   felix: how about analyzing DITA more in detail?

   yves: XLIFF has the same behavior as DITA

naming issue: data category?

   yves: no strong feeling about this
   ... only the order in the draft is not good: we talk about it before
   we defined it

   felix: +1 for data category

   christian: changing a term has a lot of implications

   felix: no need to change that, would create conclusion between
   people who have followed ITS

   yves: o.k.

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a mail to the data category thread
   [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

naming issues: tag set

   yves: that bug is closed

naming issue: localization property

   yves: the paragraph is fine with me

   felix: +1

draft text and usage of "overwriting"

   yves: I keep seeing "overriding" everywhere, also in W3C specs

   <YvesS>
   [15]http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/dirlang.html#h-8.2.4

     [15] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/dirlang.html#h-8.2.4

   yves: e.g. XHTML talks about the same functionality

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to write a mail about his finding about the
   usage of "overriding" [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

editing environment

   christian: editing environment works
   ... I took an ODD document, and it was not valid

   felix: might be the @diff attribute

change of the schema design

   thread between Sebastian and Felix

   Yves: I would use the schema out of the box
   ... I would not change any definitions

   christian: me too

   [17]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#con
   formance-product-schema

     [17]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#conformance-product-schema

   yves: these definitions are geared to document centered XML
   ... not data oriented XML

   [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0
   501.html

     [18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0501.html

   > The conformance section could say "you have to

   > either use our schema fragments, or else what you

   > write has to implement exactly the same constraints as those

   > schema fragments".

   felix: how about this 'simplistic' conformance description?

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to look at conformance section [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

rules element with prefixed attributes?

   <its:translateRule selector=".." translate="'yes"

   <its:translateRule its:selector=".." its:translate="'yes"

   <att> translate</att>

   <att> its:translate</att>

   <att type="global">translate</att>

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to see what problems could happen if there is
   no prefix at rule elements? [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to write a mail to the data category thread
   [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to look at conformance section [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to see what problems could happen if there is no
   prefix at rule elements? [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to write a mail about his finding about the usage
   of "overriding" [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/31-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   [End of minutes]
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