- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:50:39 +0900
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Hi all, Here are the minutes of yesterday's call http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html And below as text. Cheers, Felix [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ i18n ITS working group 15 Feb 2006 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0103.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-irc Attendees Present Diane, Christian, Felix, Goutam, Sebastian, Yves Regrets Andrzej, Damian, Richard Chair Yves Scribe Felix Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]action items 2. [6]time table 3. [7]segmentation 4. [8]<span> element 5. [9]on segmentation (part 2) 6. [10]Business benefit 7. [11]editors call 8. [12]f2f in May * [13]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ action items <scribe> ACTION: All to look at conformance tests and give comments (DONE) [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action01] yves: we got some comments ... I have not answered the last mail from Felix ... we should make a distinction between people who write schemas, versus people who process s.t. with ITS ... the schema writers want to support all data categories ... the processing implementor ... wants to have only one data category Sebastian: why a partical conformance in the schema? Christian: we had discussions like this ... people said we don't want to see a large markup scheme Felix: would 20 attributes be too much? Christian: I don't know Sebastian: We should not say that some data cats are more important than others Felix: what would happen if a translate attribute is already in the schema? Sebastian: So if I have a translate attribute, I would have to use documentRule? Yves: So you would need a mapping? Sebastian: Maybe we need to group the data categories Yves: one part of ITS is i18n, e.g. bidi (long discussion on conformance, sorry for not scribing. No conclusion so far; we will continue the discussion on the mailing list) <scribe> ACTION: All to give feedback on new sections 3.1 and 3.2, until Friday (DONE) [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action02] <scribe> ACTION: All to think of how to organize examples inside and outside the specification (ONGOING) [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action03] <scribe> ACTION: continue conformance discussion on the mailing list [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action04] <scribe> ACTION: Felix to add a strong statement on the top of the document about "editors" copy (PENDING) [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action05] <scribe> ACTION: Felix to implement the tests for directionality (DONE) [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action06] felix: implemented in xquery <scribe> ACTION: Felix to make a telecon schedule with zakim (DONE) [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action07] <scribe> ACTION: Christian and Felix to provide examples for tests, and see if we can come up with a common set of conformance levels (ONGOING) [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action08] <scribe> ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on selection, at the beginning of the scope section. (DONE) [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action09] <scribe> ACTION: Everybody to read the spec and comment on the spec until the publication date (ONGOING) [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action10] <scribe> ACTION: Owners of the modularizations to keep working on them. (ONGOING) [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action11] yves: Damian is working with somebody on the relation ITS - OpenDocument ... I have not worked too much on DocBook ... TEI? Sebastian: I have uploaded new files on the test page Felix: How about the xmlspec section? Should we take it out? Yves: we could keep it for now ... it does not harm Sebastian: It is an example of how ITS would go in an DTD Christian: I looked at DITA with the term data category Yves: XHTML? Sebastian: Norman said he will be at the tech plenary, we could push on him Yves: good idea, I will write s.t. before Nice on DocBook <scribe> ACTION: Yves to send s.t. on docbook before the tech plenary to the list [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action12] yves: I tried XHTML ... it is very nice ... I would like to describe how to integrate ITS markup into XHTML ... they have an example how to integrate MathML, but that makes the document invalid Felix: should this be part of the last call? Yves: I will do DocBook Felix: I will do xmlspec <scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a mail to a list: who wants to describe the modularizations until the last call? [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action13] time table Felix: we might have problems to exit last call (which starts around 20 May), if we get many comments Yves: we have to be finished until mid may with LC segmentation Yves: if you process a document ... you need to separate different runs of texts ... e.g. a distinction between a para in a footnote and a separate para <YvesS> [27]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements [27] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements Yves: two problems: ... to identify elements with mixed content ... versus elements without content ... e.g. <p> versus <li> ... if you have a schema, it is not difficult to separate these two ... the problem is to decide: what starts a segment? ... e.g. a footnote vs. a paragraph? ... my idea is to have two attributes: list of elements with text / without text ... and with elements that start segments ... with that you should be able to process the file and distingush the segments sebastian: how will you express the list? Yves: I just had a list of element names ... Felix described XPath expressions Sebastian: how about a note in one place which is different from one in another place? ... why not making this another data category, that you can attach this to any element? Yves: good idea Sebastian: If I want to say s.t. about 10 elements: ... that sounds to me like 10 documentRule elements Yves: so instead of a list the same as with e.g. translate? Sebastian: I think you could do the same with documentRules ... and could avoid a new syntax Felix: I would propose to use the documentRules syntax Yves: the implementation view point is that you have a lot of occurences ... so your application will get much slower Sebastian: You don't have to implement it by decorating a DOM ... e.g. if you say the root element is translatable, all nodes are decorated with "inerited" ... the list contains lists of elements, so is not the same as with selector attributes? <span> element Yves: the span element Felix: I would write s.t. like that, you could comment via mail Yves: it changes nothing, only the way ITS namespace is treated <scribe> ACTION: felix to integrate <span> element until tomorrow into the draft [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action14] on segmentation (part 2) Christian: Should we call this segmentation or inline? Yves: I got some feedback that segmentation is better Business benefit <YvesS> [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0 089.html [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0089.html Felix: would it be o.k. to give it personally to participants from the Berlin meeting? Yves: maybe it is very concentrated on translatability Felix: the audience would be mainly localization people editors call Felix: this call would be useful for all people who edit all documents ... to work out the wording Yves: so regulary two times a week? Christian: Friday would be better for me Yves: so how about Friday at four? <scribe> ACTION: Felix to make a weekly schedule with Zakim for ITS editor's call [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action15] f2f in May Yves: I need to know the dates soon Some possible dates: 16-19 May 2006: XTECH, Amsterdam 21-22 May: AC meeting, Edinburgh 23-26 May : WWW 2006, Edinburgh 22-28 May 2006: LREC, Portugal 29-30 May (noon): LSGB conference (follow up from Berlin meeting), Barcelona Sebastian: [[I cannot leave the UK until May 14th, and have meetings in Kyoto on 17, 18 and 19. So in practice I could only do a day on 16, or have to wait until 22nd-24th.]] discussion about the dates. result: end of May, beginning of June. possibly in France. possibly hosted by SAP. Christian will check Yves: tentative date: 31 May, 1st and 2nd June Yves: maybe in Paris ... or somewhere else in Europe Christian: Heidelberg? Yves: how about trying Barcelona? Christian: SAP might have a host in Barcelona as well Hi Diane, this is the link to localization world in Barcelona: [31]http://www.localizationworld.com/ [31] http://www.localizationworld.com/ <diane> thanks Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: continue conformance discussion on the mailing list [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: felix to integrate element until tomorrow into the draft [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action14] [NEW] ACTION: Felix to make a weekly schedule with Zakim for ITS editor's call [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action15] [NEW] ACTION: Felix to write a mail to a list: who wants to describe the modularizations until the last call? [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action13] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to send s.t. on docbook before the tech plenary to the list [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action12] [PENDING] ACTION: All to think of how to organize examples inside and outside the specification [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Christian and Felix to provide examples for tests, and see if we can come up with a common set of conformance levels [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action08] [PENDING] ACTION: Everybody to read the spec and comment on the spec until the publication date [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to add a strong statement on the top of the document about "editors" copy [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Owners of the modularizations to keep working on them. [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action11] [DONE] ACTION: All to look at conformance tests and give comments [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on selection, at the beginning of the scope section. [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action09] [DONE] ACTION: Felix to implement the tests for directionality [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] ACTION: Felix to make a telecon schedule with zakim [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action07] [DONE] ACTION: All to give feedback on new sections 3.1 and 3.2, until Friday [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/15-i18nits-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [47]scribe.perl version 1.127 ([48]CVS log) $Date: 2006/02/16 05:47:03 $ [47] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [48] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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