- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:54:55 +0900
- To: "public-i18n-its@w3.org" <public-i18n-its@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of yesterday's call are at
http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html
and below as text.
Regards, Felix.
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS working group
25 Jan 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0043.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Christian, Diane, Felix, Goutam, Richard, Yves
Regrets
Sebastian, Andrejz
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]Discussion
3. [7]next meeting
* [8]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
action items
<scribe> ACTION: Andrejz to start an article about the relations
between various standards. (ONGOING) [recorded in
[9]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Christian and Felix to rephrase the conformance
section (ONGOING) [recorded in
[10]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: Everybody to follow new syntax (ONGOING) [recorded
in [11]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
sebastian did this in new odd stylesheets
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to send a mail to the member list about the
friday deadline of the tec plenary registration (DONE) [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
Yves: how many people are comming?
Felix: now 4
<scribe> ACTION: Yves and all others to come up with a list of ITS
products. (DONE) [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
<YvesS> [14]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2761
[14] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2761
Yves: how do you check the conformance of a schema?
Felix: just by running a schema validator on an instance
Christian: That might not be enough
Yves: e.g. the syntax of a selector would not be checked
... for example we don't check the content of the XPath attributes
... we would not be able to validate the XPath
Christian: I don't think a schema validation would go into semantics
felix: this product is only for schema authors
yves: for felix and mine mails, there is an idea for one and more
products:
... one to check rendering of ITS e.g. for ruby and bidi
... some people might use ITS just for this purpose
Christian: we are delivering more than a markup scheme
felix: you are right, I just would like to have the schema as a
separate level
yves: so what are further semantics?
felix: I would say the ITS processor is for the selection
felix: the visualization is another possible product
yves: could we do this for the conformance section?
felix: yes we could do both in the conformance section
yves: the other question is whether we need a basic conformance,
e.g. only "translate" attribute
... is it unwise to have a product which has only the "translate"
attribute without selectors?
felix: I think so
christian: we should distinguish between various processors:
... reading of ITS markup
... writing of ITS markup
... reading is e.g. validation
... the next level down would be some of the intended semantics
... some for visualizatoin
... some for selection
yves: we need to put down a definition of the products
... we should bring conformance and products together
... Christian and Felix will work on that
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to set up wiki page for Andrejz, and Andrjez
to write about inline versus other markup (DONE) [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[16]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements
[16] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements
<YvesS> [17]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements
[17] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements
Yves: nothing has happened so far
Christian: I would like to push this requirement
... I would like to cover this requirement in the next working draft
... that is, a data category for identifying inline elements
... having this, would enable us to have a statement about the
update of the working draft
Yves: that would be good
... it is simple to write the requirement, and also the data
category
felix: you just would defind a different XPath expression
Yves: yes, and other defaults
felix: it is only approximation without a schema
... XPath can always miss examples
<scribe> ACTION: All to look at parameters for the f2f around www
conference or xtech. (ONGOING) [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
<scribe> ACTION: felix to put up an agenda for the tech plenary f2f
[recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: All to think about f2f at tech plenary and see if
they can make it or not. (ONGOING) [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on
scope, at the beginning of the scope section. (ONGOING) [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
<scribe> ACTION: Owners of the modularizations to keep working on
them. (ONGOING) [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
felix: I am working on an XQuery implementation
... and on a documentation for xmlspec
... let's have the documentation for all implemenations (TEI,
xmlspec, ..) in the next wd
yves: docbook is ongoing
<scribe> ACTION: Sebastian to change the processing system for ODD.
(DONE) [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
<scribe> ACTION: (medium term): Yves to explore constraint support
in CSS and possibly contact a CSS guru. (PENDING) [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to Update the Requirement wiki list and
status. (DONE) [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]
yves: I started working on the techniques draft
Discussion
issues:
[26]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product=
ITS
[26]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product=ITS
<YvesS>
[27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product=
ITS
[27]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product=ITS
<scribe> ACTION: felix to mark the resolved issues in bugzilla as
done [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]
yves: 2551, 2552, 2556, 2558
... 2618: we postpone this one for later
... 2619: is part of the discussion on conformance
... we have to decide whether we want a level of simple conformance
... that is, with only "translate" attribute, without selector
attributes
felix: is that not too simple?
christian: we could have a test case where we just want to check
translate="yes" and translate="no" values
yves: that is s.t. people want to do, I think
... the question is if a document could just have a translate
attribute and nothing else
... somebody may want to implement an ITS processor with that
... my fear is that we have to decide if we have this simple level
felix: that might lead to interoperability problems
Yves: we have to continue the discussion here
... 2620: is the same question, 2621 as well
2719: namespace issue
Yves: it does not work in some cases, where it should work
felix: how about having a MUST to use only qualifed names
yves: if the vocabulary has no namespaces, what do we do?
felix: how about forbidding a default namespace?
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to write examples of qualified and
non-qualified vocabularies for bug
[29]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2719 recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]
[29] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2719
yves: [31]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2761 is
ongoing
[31] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2761
[32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0
025.html
[32]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0025.html
yves: the vote will be on the 22 feb (wednesday)
... we could vote via mail
richard: we don't have to make a big deal of this
yves: o.k.
<scribe> ACTION: everybody to read the spec and comment on the spec
until the publication date (ONGOING) [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]
next meeting
yves: wil be on the same channel, i18nits
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: felix to put up an agenda for the tech plenary f2f
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to write examples of qualified and non-qualified
vocabularies for bug
[35]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2719 recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action16]
[35] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2719
[PENDING] ACTION: (medium term): Yves to explore constraint support
in CSS and possibly contact a CSS guru. [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: All to look at parameters for the f2f around www
conference or xtech. [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: All to think about f2f at tech plenary and see if
they can make it or not. [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Andrejz to start an article about the relations
between various standards. [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Christian and Felix to rephrase the conformance
section [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on
scope, at the beginning of the scope section. [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Everybody to follow new syntax [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: everybody to read the spec and comment on the spec
until the publication date [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action17]
[PENDING] ACTION: Owners of the modularizations to keep working on
them. [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: felix to mark the resolved issues in bugzilla as
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action15]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to send a mail to the member list about the
friday deadline of the tec plenary registration [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Sebastian to change the processing system for ODD.
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves and all others to come up with a list of ITS
products. [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to set up wiki page for Andrejz, and Andrjez to
write about inline versus other markup [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to Update the Requirement wiki list and status.
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action14]
[End of minutes]
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