- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:54:55 +0900
- To: "public-i18n-its@w3.org" <public-i18n-its@w3.org>
Hi all, The minutes of yesterday's call are at http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html and below as text. Regards, Felix. [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ i18n ITS working group 25 Jan 2006 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0043.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-irc Attendees Present Christian, Diane, Felix, Goutam, Richard, Yves Regrets Sebastian, Andrejz Chair Yves Scribe Felix Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]action items 2. [6]Discussion 3. [7]next meeting * [8]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ action items <scribe> ACTION: Andrejz to start an article about the relations between various standards. (ONGOING) [recorded in [9]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01] <scribe> ACTION: Christian and Felix to rephrase the conformance section (ONGOING) [recorded in [10]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02] <scribe> ACTION: Everybody to follow new syntax (ONGOING) [recorded in [11]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03] sebastian did this in new odd stylesheets <scribe> ACTION: Felix to send a mail to the member list about the friday deadline of the tec plenary registration (DONE) [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04] Yves: how many people are comming? Felix: now 4 <scribe> ACTION: Yves and all others to come up with a list of ITS products. (DONE) [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action05] <YvesS> [14]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2761 [14] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2761 Yves: how do you check the conformance of a schema? Felix: just by running a schema validator on an instance Christian: That might not be enough Yves: e.g. the syntax of a selector would not be checked ... for example we don't check the content of the XPath attributes ... we would not be able to validate the XPath Christian: I don't think a schema validation would go into semantics felix: this product is only for schema authors yves: for felix and mine mails, there is an idea for one and more products: ... one to check rendering of ITS e.g. for ruby and bidi ... some people might use ITS just for this purpose Christian: we are delivering more than a markup scheme felix: you are right, I just would like to have the schema as a separate level yves: so what are further semantics? felix: I would say the ITS processor is for the selection felix: the visualization is another possible product yves: could we do this for the conformance section? felix: yes we could do both in the conformance section yves: the other question is whether we need a basic conformance, e.g. only "translate" attribute ... is it unwise to have a product which has only the "translate" attribute without selectors? felix: I think so christian: we should distinguish between various processors: ... reading of ITS markup ... writing of ITS markup ... reading is e.g. validation ... the next level down would be some of the intended semantics ... some for visualizatoin ... some for selection yves: we need to put down a definition of the products ... we should bring conformance and products together ... Christian and Felix will work on that <scribe> ACTION: Yves to set up wiki page for Andrejz, and Andrjez to write about inline versus other markup (DONE) [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action06] [16]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements [16] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements <YvesS> [17]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements [17] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601ReqInlineElements Yves: nothing has happened so far Christian: I would like to push this requirement ... I would like to cover this requirement in the next working draft ... that is, a data category for identifying inline elements ... having this, would enable us to have a statement about the update of the working draft Yves: that would be good ... it is simple to write the requirement, and also the data category felix: you just would defind a different XPath expression Yves: yes, and other defaults felix: it is only approximation without a schema ... XPath can always miss examples <scribe> ACTION: All to look at parameters for the f2f around www conference or xtech. (ONGOING) [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action07] <scribe> ACTION: felix to put up an agenda for the tech plenary f2f [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action08] <scribe> ACTION: All to think about f2f at tech plenary and see if they can make it or not. (ONGOING) [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action09] <scribe> ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on scope, at the beginning of the scope section. (ONGOING) [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action10] <scribe> ACTION: Owners of the modularizations to keep working on them. (ONGOING) [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action11] felix: I am working on an XQuery implementation ... and on a documentation for xmlspec ... let's have the documentation for all implemenations (TEI, xmlspec, ..) in the next wd yves: docbook is ongoing <scribe> ACTION: Sebastian to change the processing system for ODD. (DONE) [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action12] <scribe> ACTION: (medium term): Yves to explore constraint support in CSS and possibly contact a CSS guru. (PENDING) [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action13] <scribe> ACTION: Yves to Update the Requirement wiki list and status. (DONE) [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action14] yves: I started working on the techniques draft Discussion issues: [26]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product= ITS [26] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product=ITS <YvesS> [27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product= ITS [27] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product=ITS <scribe> ACTION: felix to mark the resolved issues in bugzilla as done [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action15] yves: 2551, 2552, 2556, 2558 ... 2618: we postpone this one for later ... 2619: is part of the discussion on conformance ... we have to decide whether we want a level of simple conformance ... that is, with only "translate" attribute, without selector attributes felix: is that not too simple? christian: we could have a test case where we just want to check translate="yes" and translate="no" values yves: that is s.t. people want to do, I think ... the question is if a document could just have a translate attribute and nothing else ... somebody may want to implement an ITS processor with that ... my fear is that we have to decide if we have this simple level felix: that might lead to interoperability problems Yves: we have to continue the discussion here ... 2620: is the same question, 2621 as well 2719: namespace issue Yves: it does not work in some cases, where it should work felix: how about having a MUST to use only qualifed names yves: if the vocabulary has no namespaces, what do we do? felix: how about forbidding a default namespace? <scribe> ACTION: Yves to write examples of qualified and non-qualified vocabularies for bug [29]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2719 recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action16] [29] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2719 yves: [31]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2761 is ongoing [31] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2761 [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0 025.html [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0025.html yves: the vote will be on the 22 feb (wednesday) ... we could vote via mail richard: we don't have to make a big deal of this yves: o.k. <scribe> ACTION: everybody to read the spec and comment on the spec until the publication date (ONGOING) [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action17] next meeting yves: wil be on the same channel, i18nits Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: felix to put up an agenda for the tech plenary f2f [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to write examples of qualified and non-qualified vocabularies for bug [35]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2719 recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action16] [35] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2719 [PENDING] ACTION: (medium term): Yves to explore constraint support in CSS and possibly contact a CSS guru. [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action13] [PENDING] ACTION: All to look at parameters for the f2f around www conference or xtech. [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: All to think about f2f at tech plenary and see if they can make it or not. [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] ACTION: Andrejz to start an article about the relations between various standards. [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING] ACTION: Christian and Felix to rephrase the conformance section [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on scope, at the beginning of the scope section. [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING] ACTION: Everybody to follow new syntax [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: everybody to read the spec and comment on the spec until the publication date [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action17] [PENDING] ACTION: Owners of the modularizations to keep working on them. [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action11] [DONE] ACTION: felix to mark the resolved issues in bugzilla as [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action15] [DONE] ACTION: Felix to send a mail to the member list about the friday deadline of the tec plenary registration [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04] [DONE] ACTION: Sebastian to change the processing system for ODD. [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action12] [DONE] ACTION: Yves and all others to come up with a list of ITS products. [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action05] [DONE] ACTION: Yves to set up wiki page for Andrejz, and Andrjez to write about inline versus other markup [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] ACTION: Yves to Update the Requirement wiki list and status. [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action14] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [52]scribe.perl version 1.127 ([53]CVS log) $Date: 2006/01/26 12:52:40 $ [52] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [53] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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