- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:44:17 +0900
- To: "public-i18n-its@w3.org" <public-i18n-its@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of the ITS call from 2006-01-11 call are at
http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html
and below as text.
Regards, Felix.
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS working group
11 Jan 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0008.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Christian, Damian, Diane, Goutam, Felix, Yves
Regrets
Andrzej, Najib, Richard, Sebastian
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Review of action items
2. [6]"Language Standards for Global Business"
3. [7]going through bugzilla
4. [8]about modularization
5. [9]other business
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Yves: happy new year to everybody!
Review of action items
felix: most of my action items are pending :(
<scribe> ACTION: Felix will tackle moving information from the
i18n-comments lists, and move it to bugzilla. (ONGOING) [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to change bidi notation, as a response to
Mimasas comment. (PENDING) [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to correct the syntax error in the markup
logged in Bugzilla. (PENDING) [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to correct the wrong XML Schema namespace.
(PENDING) [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Sebastian to change the processing system for ODD
(ONGOING) [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to check possible problems with both elements
and attributes qualified. (PENDING) [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to change the ITS ODD definition so that it
does not need an entry point anymore. (PENDING) [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on
scope, at the beginning of the scope section (PENDING) [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action08]
felix: Please don't wait for me with this
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to talk to the QA activity within W3C about
conformance criteria for ITS (ONGOING) [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Info about next face-to-face: (DONE) [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action10]
Yves: next f2f is at the technical plenary
felix: we could have a meeting at the technical plenary
<scribe> ACTION: everybody to think about f2f at tech plenary and
see if they can make it or not [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action11]
yves: the other f2f:
A) Thursday May-18, Friday May-19, and Saturday May-20
B) or Sunday May-28, Monday May-29, and Tuesday May-30
C) or Monday May-29, Tuesday May-30, and Wednesday May-31
<damiend> W3C Tech plenary info :
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html
Yves: for me it does not matter if we make a f2f around xtech or
around the www conference
Cl: the same for me
<scribe> ACTION: all to look at parameters for the f2f around www
conference or xtech [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action12]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to finalize and send his ITS use cases
examples to Sebastian and Felix (PENDING) [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action13]
<scribe> ACTION: (medium term) Yves to explore constraint support in
CSS and possibly contact a CSS guru. (PENDING) [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action14]
<scribe> ACTION: Update the Requirement wiki list and status
(PENDING) [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action15]
"Language Standards for Global Business"
felix reports on additional infos about the meeting
cl: as for the relation to XLIFF, they are creating profiles which
encompass popular vocabularies
Yves: for ITS it would be easier to do
... at least for translatability
... that is, doing the modularizations is useful
... also, open source implementations are useful
... if you know others, please tell us
Felix: should we set up such a page?
Cl: we should discuss conformance criteria before setting up s.t.
like that
... otherwise the interoperability might be harmed
Yves: yes, we need some test files to make the interoperability sure
Felix: so we better wait with this
Yves: for now we don't link to SR page, but maybe with the next
publication
<YvesS>
[27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product=
ITS
[27]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product=ITS
going through bugzilla
<YvesS> [28]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2621
[28] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2621
Yves: do we need a conformance level "just in situ"?
... I can see the benefit of this, but I am also worried about it
... because we may have many limited ITS implementations
Damian: The precedence rules might be a little bit complicated
<chriLi> [29]http://www.w3.org/TR/xsl/slice8.html#conform
[29] http://www.w3.org/TR/xsl/slice8.html#conform
Yves: we might need a flag which says "this conformance is given"
Cl: xsl fo has three levels of conformance
... but the processors say in detail which properties they support
Yves: Does this make them conformant, to say that?
Cl: the providers of the implementations say that
... as for ITS, we could have a list of data categories, a list of
mechanisms
... we could say "if you support the following combination, you
would have basic conformant"
Yves: depending on the tool, not everything on ITS might be relevant
... for example "terminology" is not relevant for many translation
tools, also not ruby
Cl: as for interoperability between tools, if we have a basic level
of conformance, that will achieve a basic level of interoperability
<scribe> ACTION: felix to ask other w3c staff member about how to
implement performance in general [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action16]
Yves: it is a different issue to have a kind of "flag" which
indicates what an implementation can expect
on [31]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2620
[31] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2620
Cl: the idea of metadata would not necessarily make things more
complicated
... maybe we have a terminological misunderstanding
... if we have the information "this document uses only ITS in
situ", that would be very helpful for processors
felix: could we not just check the document and see what is in the
document?
Cl: it might be difficult for large documents
Yves: I think the processing time is no problem, it is more that it
forces the user to target a specific type of conformance
... he knows that he only uses parts of ITS, which would help the
author as well
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to make a sample for different levels of
conformances, a way of distingushing the levels [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action17]
about modularization
Yves: we have a conference call with the DITA people next week
... they are agreeing with the they we are going, but they have a
feedback that a translate attribute can be difficult for the users
... I would propose that Christian will be on the call as well
felix: I did not do anything on xmlspec since the f2f
Damian: I have not worked on open doc very much, but it has started
Yves: there are translation tools like omega-t which translate
opendocument, so it would be great if we have a modularization with
opendoc
... I did not do anything since the f2f
<scribe> ACTION: owners of the modularizations to keep them in mind
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action18]
other business
felix: people are encouraged to participate in the xtech paper, if
it is accepted
yves: Diane, I will come back to you with the techniques document
adjourn
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: all to look at parameters for the f2f around www
conference or xtech [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: everybody to think about f2f at tech plenary and see
if they can make it or not [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to ask other w3c staff member about how to
implement performance in general [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: owners of the modularizations to keep them in mind
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action18]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to make a sample for different levels of
conformances, a way of distingushing the levels [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action17]
[PENDING] ACTION: (medium term) Yves to explore constraint support
in CSS and possibly contact a CSS guru. [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on
scope, at the beginning of the scope section [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to change bidi notation, as a response to
Mimasas comment. [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to change the ITS ODD definition so that it
does not need an entry point anymore. [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to check possible problems with both
elements and attributes qualified. [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to correct the syntax error in the markup
logged in Bugzilla. [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to correct the wrong XML Schema namespace.
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to talk to the QA activity within W3C about
conformance criteria for ITS [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix will tackle moving information from the
i18n-comments lists, and move it to bugzilla. [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Sebastian to change the processing system for ODD
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Update the Requirement wiki list and status
[recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action15]
[PENDING] ACTION: Yves to finalize and send his ITS use cases
examples to Sebastian and Felix [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE] ACTION: Info about next face-to-face [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action10]
[End of minutes]
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