- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:44:17 +0900
- To: "public-i18n-its@w3.org" <public-i18n-its@w3.org>
Hi all, The minutes of the ITS call from 2006-01-11 call are at http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html and below as text. Regards, Felix. [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ i18n ITS working group 11 Jan 2006 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0008.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-irc Attendees Present Christian, Damian, Diane, Goutam, Felix, Yves Regrets Andrzej, Najib, Richard, Sebastian Chair Yves Scribe Felix Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Review of action items 2. [6]"Language Standards for Global Business" 3. [7]going through bugzilla 4. [8]about modularization 5. [9]other business * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Yves: happy new year to everybody! Review of action items felix: most of my action items are pending :( <scribe> ACTION: Felix will tackle moving information from the i18n-comments lists, and move it to bugzilla. (ONGOING) [recorded in [11]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action01] <scribe> ACTION: Felix to change bidi notation, as a response to Mimasas comment. (PENDING) [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action02] <scribe> ACTION: Felix to correct the syntax error in the markup logged in Bugzilla. (PENDING) [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action03] <scribe> ACTION: Felix to correct the wrong XML Schema namespace. (PENDING) [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action04] <scribe> ACTION: Sebastian to change the processing system for ODD (ONGOING) [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action05] <scribe> ACTION: Felix to check possible problems with both elements and attributes qualified. (PENDING) [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action06] <scribe> ACTION: Felix to change the ITS ODD definition so that it does not need an entry point anymore. (PENDING) [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action07] <scribe> ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on scope, at the beginning of the scope section (PENDING) [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action08] felix: Please don't wait for me with this <scribe> ACTION: Felix to talk to the QA activity within W3C about conformance criteria for ITS (ONGOING) [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action09] <scribe> ACTION: Info about next face-to-face: (DONE) [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action10] Yves: next f2f is at the technical plenary felix: we could have a meeting at the technical plenary <scribe> ACTION: everybody to think about f2f at tech plenary and see if they can make it or not [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action11] yves: the other f2f: A) Thursday May-18, Friday May-19, and Saturday May-20 B) or Sunday May-28, Monday May-29, and Tuesday May-30 C) or Monday May-29, Tuesday May-30, and Wednesday May-31 <damiend> W3C Tech plenary info : [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html [22] http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html Yves: for me it does not matter if we make a f2f around xtech or around the www conference Cl: the same for me <scribe> ACTION: all to look at parameters for the f2f around www conference or xtech [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action12] <scribe> ACTION: Yves to finalize and send his ITS use cases examples to Sebastian and Felix (PENDING) [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action13] <scribe> ACTION: (medium term) Yves to explore constraint support in CSS and possibly contact a CSS guru. (PENDING) [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action14] <scribe> ACTION: Update the Requirement wiki list and status (PENDING) [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action15] "Language Standards for Global Business" felix reports on additional infos about the meeting cl: as for the relation to XLIFF, they are creating profiles which encompass popular vocabularies Yves: for ITS it would be easier to do ... at least for translatability ... that is, doing the modularizations is useful ... also, open source implementations are useful ... if you know others, please tell us Felix: should we set up such a page? Cl: we should discuss conformance criteria before setting up s.t. like that ... otherwise the interoperability might be harmed Yves: yes, we need some test files to make the interoperability sure Felix: so we better wait with this Yves: for now we don't link to SR page, but maybe with the next publication <YvesS> [27]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product= ITS [27] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=&product=ITS going through bugzilla <YvesS> [28]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 [28] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 Yves: do we need a conformance level "just in situ"? ... I can see the benefit of this, but I am also worried about it ... because we may have many limited ITS implementations Damian: The precedence rules might be a little bit complicated <chriLi> [29]http://www.w3.org/TR/xsl/slice8.html#conform [29] http://www.w3.org/TR/xsl/slice8.html#conform Yves: we might need a flag which says "this conformance is given" Cl: xsl fo has three levels of conformance ... but the processors say in detail which properties they support Yves: Does this make them conformant, to say that? Cl: the providers of the implementations say that ... as for ITS, we could have a list of data categories, a list of mechanisms ... we could say "if you support the following combination, you would have basic conformant" Yves: depending on the tool, not everything on ITS might be relevant ... for example "terminology" is not relevant for many translation tools, also not ruby Cl: as for interoperability between tools, if we have a basic level of conformance, that will achieve a basic level of interoperability <scribe> ACTION: felix to ask other w3c staff member about how to implement performance in general [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action16] Yves: it is a different issue to have a kind of "flag" which indicates what an implementation can expect on [31]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2620 [31] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2620 Cl: the idea of metadata would not necessarily make things more complicated ... maybe we have a terminological misunderstanding ... if we have the information "this document uses only ITS in situ", that would be very helpful for processors felix: could we not just check the document and see what is in the document? Cl: it might be difficult for large documents Yves: I think the processing time is no problem, it is more that it forces the user to target a specific type of conformance ... he knows that he only uses parts of ITS, which would help the author as well <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make a sample for different levels of conformances, a way of distingushing the levels [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action17] about modularization Yves: we have a conference call with the DITA people next week ... they are agreeing with the they we are going, but they have a feedback that a translate attribute can be difficult for the users ... I would propose that Christian will be on the call as well felix: I did not do anything on xmlspec since the f2f Damian: I have not worked on open doc very much, but it has started Yves: there are translation tools like omega-t which translate opendocument, so it would be great if we have a modularization with opendoc ... I did not do anything since the f2f <scribe> ACTION: owners of the modularizations to keep them in mind [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action18] other business felix: people are encouraged to participate in the xtech paper, if it is accepted yves: Diane, I will come back to you with the techniques document adjourn Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: all to look at parameters for the f2f around www conference or xtech [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action12] [NEW] ACTION: everybody to think about f2f at tech plenary and see if they can make it or not [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action11] [NEW] ACTION: felix to ask other w3c staff member about how to implement performance in general [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action16] [NEW] ACTION: owners of the modularizations to keep them in mind [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action18] [NEW] ACTION: Yves to make a sample for different levels of conformances, a way of distingushing the levels [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action17] [PENDING] ACTION: (medium term) Yves to explore constraint support in CSS and possibly contact a CSS guru. [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action14] [PENDING] ACTION: Christian to write a non-normative section on scope, at the beginning of the scope section [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action08] [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to change bidi notation, as a response to Mimasas comment. [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to change the ITS ODD definition so that it does not need an entry point anymore. [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to check possible problems with both elements and attributes qualified. [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to correct the syntax error in the markup logged in Bugzilla. [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to correct the wrong XML Schema namespace. [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to talk to the QA activity within W3C about conformance criteria for ITS [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] ACTION: Felix will tackle moving information from the i18n-comments lists, and move it to bugzilla. [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING] ACTION: Sebastian to change the processing system for ODD [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Update the Requirement wiki list and status [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action15] [PENDING] ACTION: Yves to finalize and send his ITS use cases examples to Sebastian and Felix [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action13] [DONE] ACTION: Info about next face-to-face [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/11-i18n-minutes.html#action10] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [52]scribe.perl version 1.127 ([53]CVS log) $Date: 2006/01/12 05:41:40 $ [52] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [53] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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