- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 15:30:05 +0100
- To: "public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org" <public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org>
See
http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html
and below as text.
- Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
ITS IG
12 Mar 2014
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Mar/0007.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Yves, ankit, david, fsasaki, jirka, pedro, philr
Regrets
pablo
Chair
felix
Scribe
fsasaki
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]roll call
2. [6]ITS per data category
3. [7]XLIFF 2.0 mapping
4. [8]issues proposed features
5. [9]ITS Ontology
6. [10]upcoming related events
7. [11]webplatform.org
8. [12]aob
* [13]Summary of Action Items
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roll call
checking attendeeds ...
<dF> hi Felix, could you please help me out with my w3c
account, I tried using it for my Madrid registration, but it
did not work
<dF> my login is dfilip
<dF> I tried recovering my password using david.filip@ul.ie but
nothing came
<dF> I wonder if I should make myslef a new account and apply
for being an invited expert? as my ul account probably stopped
working when UL membership ended?
<dF> I know the account is not necessary for registration
<dF> but I probably need one for the ig contributions
<dF> few things did not work with the old account recently, but
when the registration failed I wonder if it is banned or
something
<dF> hm, strange, my current password does not work and I did
not get any recovery info in the past hour
<dF> is the associated e-mail address david.filip@ul.ie?
<dF> any idea why the registration form refused my credentials,
I have them stored in a keypass db so a typo is not an option
<dF> again, the link requires login and refuses my current
credentials :-(
<dF> the link to ig membership you posted
<dF> Sorry, Password Required An account (with a password) is
required to view the page that you requested. If you don't have
one, request a new account. If you have an account but forgot
your password, recover your password. In case of trouble with
any W3C Web account, please send an email to
member-access@w3.org.
<dF> this link is public
<dF> the error message was for trzing to see the ig list and to
register with my account
<dF> do zou think I can edit the ig wiki?
<dF> I will try
<dF> The wiki accpeted my login
<dF> also I was able to save a minor edit
<dF> I will register using the 'no' option
<dF> my credentials started magicallz working all over the
place, including the reg form
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014
Mar/0007.html
[14]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Mar/0007.html
ITS per data category
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Description_of_IT
S_benefit_per_data_category
[15]
https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Description_of_ITS_benefit_per_data_category
pedro: just extend the time, and try to do it as soon as we can
<YvesS> +1 on continuing that page
phil: try to do it and see how it progresses
<philr> +1 we should try best to complete
phil: get more tools vendors to adopt - it would be much easier
than approaching customers
agree
phil: trying to get a workflow working with dita. will document
and publish that later
<pedro>
[16]http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=
web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tran
slationzone.com%2FImages%2FSDL_WP_Studio2014_Whats_New_EN_A4_lo
res_tcm40-41934.pdf&ei=Ml0gU820EK-10QXa_YHoCw&usg=AFQjCNE0QGmWf
HqGCCXudT_xxwaSocolpg&sig2=s4Z5aEnsTfMOZtw64IUnmQ
[16]
http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.translationzone.com%2FImages%2FSDL_WP_Studio2014_Whats_New_EN_A4_lores_tcm40-41934.pdf&ei=Ml0gU820EK-10QXa_YHoCw&usg=AFQjCNE0QGmWfHqGCCXudT_xxwaSocolpg&sig2=s4Z5aEnsTfMOZtw64IUnmQ
<dF> In the agenda, there is a wrong link for the XLIFF 2.0
mapping the correct one should be this:
[17]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
[17] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
enhanced XML filter with support for open W3C standards such as
ITS 2.0 - support in SDL 2014. No details yet provided
thanks, df - yes, I'll correct that
pedro: will check out SDL 2014 support later in a few months
XLIFF 2.0 mapping
[18]http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
[18] http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
<YvesS> I've started to implement ITS in the XLIFF2 Okapi lib
(as an extension for now)
<YvesS> yes, looking at the 1.2 mapping
phil: talking to yves and dave about implementing XLIFF2 in
ocelot
<YvesS> and tackling the datacat needed for Ocelot first
<YvesS> yes, the mapping page needs a lot or work
david: most of the 2.0 mappings are scetched on the old page
[19]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
[19] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
david: XLIFF 2.0 is now being pushed on the community spec
level. That will hopefully happen next week or early April
<YvesS> old mapping page:
[20]http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
[20] http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
<dF>
[21]https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
[21] https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping
felix: so a lot of the mapping is done
phil: wondering if implementation of mappings implementation
would change if there is a decision made to make ITS a module
of XLIFF2?
david: interesting aspect. It is good to work on the mapping on
the IG
... at some point to ensure that it becomes an xliff module, it
needs to move to the TC
... and then it will need a statement of use / reference
implementations
... three implementations are required
<YvesS> actually OASIS doesn't require ANY implementations...
david: we could get for a third one among CNGL partners, in
addition to Ocelot / Okapi
<YvesS> it requires only statment of use
<dF> SoU
three statement of use are needed
<YvesS> not corporate
felix: what is the timeline for ITS in XLIFF2?
david: no rigourous planning so far
... a CNGL working item. Having the mapping workin in XLIFF 2.0
is one of the goals in CNGL2
... I will make it a priority as soon as the XLIFF2 committee
spec is out
... there is a little technical work on the spec
... finish the mapping on the wiki by the summer break would be
great
<scribe> ACTION: felix to assure that XLIFF2 mapping is
finished by end of june - due 2014-06-30 [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - Assure that xliff2 mapping is
finished by end of june [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-06-30].
<YvesS> Note that mapping and implementations can be done as
extension, and making the extension an official module can be
done later.
felix: formalization of module - does that include a namespace
change?
david: we said we'd accept namespaces hosted by proper
standards org
... we hit some issues with validation
... the current spec validates based on OASIS hosted urn
prefixes
... so two options: co-host namespace by OASIS
... or in 2.1 another prefix is added to the spec
felix: adding a poitner from w3c namespace doc to oasis
namespace would not be an issue
david: one of the other features
... there is interest in the community for ITS module
... if there are other ideas, I would add them to 2.2 rather
than 2.1
... for XLIFF 2.1, the main work is: ITS module + advanced
validation support
... currently we have only XSD
... all other things need to be hand made
... are not supported by TC artefacts
felix: is there an easy way to see the constraints to check?
david: all relevant sections are labelled as constraints
... see the conformance section that is defined
<YvesS> IMO it's not easy to get a list of all constraints and
PRs. I've started an Excel list I can post
that would be great, Yves
david: that could be part of advanced validation support in 2.1
felix: happy to help with the validation support
... having a list of the constraints would be helpful
david: having phd student who is starting with this
<YvesS> The Excel list is in the conformance folder in the
OkapiXLIFFL distribution
([23]http://okapi.opentag.com/snapshots/okapi-xliffLib_all-plat
forms_0.21-SNAPSHOT.zip)
[23]
http://okapi.opentag.com/snapshots/okapi-xliffLib_all-platforms_0.21-SNAPSHOT.zip)
thanks, Yves
<dF>
[24]https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xl
iff/trunk/xliff-20/xliff-core.pdf
[24]
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff/trunk/xliff-20/xliff-core.pdf
<dF>
[25]https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xl
iff/
[25] https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff/
<dF>
[26]https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xl
iff/trunk/xliff-20/test-suite/#_trunk_xliff-20_test-suite_
[26]
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff/trunk/xliff-20/test-suite/#_trunk_xliff-20_test-suite_
<YvesS> no
<scribe> ACTION: felix to look into XLIFF2 validation using the
oasis svn truck [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Look into xliff2 validation
using the oasis svn truck [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-03-19].
issues proposed features
pablo working on readiness
pedro: example: give a flag whether content should be revised
or not
david: we had nice readiness in XLIFF 2.0, was dropped in a
ballot
... will post a link about this
felix: that can help our readiness definition
pedro: wondering whether the decision "publishing or not" and
you send it back to CMS: should be in the CMS another decision
point in here
... e.g. be ready to publish or do another step (validation
...)
david: the diagram is the highest level possible, has the
highest level of check points, depends on state machine
pedro: add one more decision point to CMS or saying things are
ready for publishing
david: we can take this offline
... updated the action item with this about the ongoing
discussion
ITS Ontology
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf#
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf
felix: moving the ontology to github - what the implications
are?
david: may be relevant for analytics
felix: feedback from dave may be needed
david: from persistence w3c seems more stable and reliable
phil: we have not done more than since then the work on the NIF
test suite
... have been talking to Dave how that relates to CNGL work
... not final discussion yet
... dave and I were trying to do something for madrid
conference
david: invite sebastian to the call next time?
... he probably expects some changes to track
upcoming related events
[29]http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/2014-madrid-worksho
p/2014-madrid-cfp#importantdates
[29]
http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/2014-madrid-workshop/2014-madrid-cfp#importantdates
"Localization World Dublin FEISGILLT
FEISGILLT deadline is 19 March
david: two calls - XLIFF symposium, content analytics topic
... ITS related topics can fit in either of calls
... e.g. XLIFF mapping better in XLIFF symposium, others in
content analytics
... interop use cases, academic papers, demonstrators etc.
<YvesS> FWIW: I'd be happy to do some demo/presentation (e.g.
XLIFF2+ITS2) etc. I've submitted 3 proposals. But I don't have
the budget to go to Dublin.
<YvesS> Dave told me he talked to Asun.
<YvesS> sure I'll send you that today
[30]http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/LD4LT_Group_Kick-Off
_Meeting_and_Roadmap
[30]
http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/LD4LT_Group_Kick-Off_Meeting_and_Roadmap
<dF> FEISGILTT [31]http://bit.ly/1c4RC5Y CAL call
[32]http://bit.ly/1aOppVV XLIFF call [33]http://bit.ly/1aOo7Kr
[31] http://bit.ly/1c4RC5Y
[32] http://bit.ly/1aOppVV
[33] http://bit.ly/1aOo7Kr
david: all submissions through easy chair
... need to choose track + topics, formats are the same
webplatform.org
felix: is there something people should focus on if they want
to contribute?
<Jirka> yes, I'm here
jirka: before luxembourg meeting I created empty page for all
its data categories
... but did not have time to put content for all data
categories
felix: releveance for data categories?
jirka: will do if I have time
[34]http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/its/attributes
[34] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/its/attributes
pedro: a lot of content already about CSS etc.
... we have already done a lot of that stuff, in wiki etc.
... maybe people more related with universities have a phd
students to compile the info
... material is done, just needs to be gathered and put in
... not only in IG wiki, but also with test files etc.
aob
<YvesS> Thanks. Bye.
<pedro> bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: felix to assure that XLIFF2 mapping is finished
by end of june - due 2014-06-30 [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to look into XLIFF2 validation using the
oasis svn truck [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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