[minutes] i18n telecon, 2012-02-29


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  Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference

29 Feb 2012



    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-irc


           Addison, Richard, Norbert, Mati, Koji, John, Gwyneth, Felix


           Addison Phillips

           Addison Phillips


      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Minutes/Agenda
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]Clearing issues in "prep"
          5. [9]bidi and attribute direction
          6. [10]AOB?
      * [11]Summary of Action Items


Action Items

    <scribe> ACTION: dclarke: run the time change poll [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Run the time change poll [on David
    Clarke - due 2012-03-07].

    acttion 100: wrote to sam, but not hixie yet

    <r12a> [13]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [13] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

    close ACTION-99

    <trackbot> ACTION-99 Invite mike to next meeting to discuss ruby
    spec development closed

    close ACTION-98

    <trackbot> ACTION-98 Update ruby bug with summary of current
    situation and asking for no re-escalation closed

Info Share



    Norbert: ECMAScript Internationalization
    ... published new spec (above link)
    ... and new version of my guide:



    Norbert: : some progress, but needed to have a final version as of,
    well, yesterday
    ... not enough review
    ... started to discuss new schedule
    ... send comments to es-discuss@

    Norbert; put "internationalization" or "internationalization API" in
    email subject so it's visible

    scribe: or "INTL"

Clearing issues in "prep"

    HTML5 [16]http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/10 (Issues
    136 - 141) Additional Predefined Counter Styles for CSS
    [17]http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/16 CSS3 Generated
    and Replaced Content Module
    [18]http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/14 HTML: The
    Markup Language

      [16] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/10
      [17] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/16
      [18] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/14
      [19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/12

    richard: these are things we ought to bless and or non-bless these
    ... and then forward, as needed


      [20] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/136

    "The algorithm to convert a string to a number, given a string
    input, is as follows: If applying the rules for parsing floating
    point number values to input results in an error, then return an
    error; otherwise, return the resulting number." Does this refer to
    conversion of the text the user inputs into the field, ie. if the
    user types in 12.345,67 will the rules for parsing floating point
    number values be applied to that to determine whether or not that is


      [21] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/number-state.html#number-state


      [22] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/138

    I imagine this will get shot down, but I've been thinking I should
    suggest it for some time. It's a pain in the neck to have to write
    both lang and xml:lang attributes on an element in a polyglot
    document, and I've seen plenty of pages in the wild from people who
    should know better where either the lang attribute is missing in
    XHTML 1.x but the xml:lang attribute is there, as well as vice
    versa. Can we not just make xml:lang a synonym of the lang

    richard: rare to use both

    addison: inconvenient to have to use both


      [23] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/141

    it's a typo

    <scribe> chair: any opposed to these being official

    (various and sundry approve)

    <r12a> [24]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/146

      [24] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/146


      [25] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/141

    "For each group with an odd index (as given in the second step) that
    did not have its digits removed in the third step, append ፻ U+137B."
    In the example 78010092, in ethiopic, is ፸፰፻፩፼፻፺፪ U+1378 U+1370
    U+137B U+1369 U+137C U+137B U+137A U+136A, the group that contains
    00 seems to have been replaced by ፻. This seems to contradict the
    text "did not have its digits removed in the third step".

    <andrewc> [26]http://www.geez.org/Numerals/

      [26] http://www.geez.org/Numerals/

    <r12a> [27]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/140

      [27] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/140

    <q> element nesting

    this is to *reset* the nesting level

    addison: this is to start the conversation with them

    <r12a> [28]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/75

      [28] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/75

    addison: I will supply a summary by next week of the remainder

bidi and attribute direction

    matial: thread about direction and how to specify on attrbitues
    ... like @alt
    ... some attributes include text that is in language and needs a
    ... the attribute's direction is the same as that of the element
    ... but sometimes this is inappropriate

    <p lang="en">This is something with an Arabic image <img alt="CIBARA
    SI SIHT"></p>

    rtl, ltr, auto values for 'attribdir' attribute

    scribe: to override the direction of the text in the attributes
    ... if specified as auto, would be computed
    ... discussion about what the best way to handle it is
    ... agreed on a proposal
    ... and Aharon filed a bug on HTML5

    <r12a> [29]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16160

      [29] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16160

    Norbert: similar discussion of @lang

    richard: @alt and @title would be the most common case

    <foo title="something" alt="else" attribdir="auto" />

    <foo title="english" alt="english" lang="de">deutsch</foo>

    <span title="english" lang="en"><p lang="xxx"></p></span>

    <r12a> <span title="German"><a lang="de" xml:lang="de"

    richard: should put into our tracker

    <scribe> chair: objections to endorsing this bug?

    richard: "reviewed by working group and no objections"

    addison: makes sense

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: update html5 bug 16160 and note that we
    reviewed and have no objections [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Update html5 bug 16160 and note that
    we reviewed and have no objections [on Addison Phillips - due

    <najib-ma> :-)



      [31] http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions

    raising IRI issues internal to the group

    use the tracker

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: raise IRI product in tracker [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Raise IRI product in tracker [on
    Richard Ishida - due 2012-03-07].

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: update html5 bug 16160 and note that we
    reviewed and have no objections [recorded in
    [NEW] ACTION: David: run the time change poll [recorded in
    [NEW] ACTION: dclarke: run the time change poll [recorded in
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: raise IRI product in tracker [recorded in

    [End of minutes]

Richard Ishida
Internationalization Activity Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)


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