- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:16:04 +0000
- To: "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-i18n-minutes.html Text version below: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference 25 Jan 2012 [2]Agenda [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jan/0010.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-i18n-irc Attendees Present Addison, Richard, Gwyneth, Mati, John, Koji, Felix, David Regrets Chair Addison Phillips Scribe Addison Phillips Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Minutes/Agenda 2. [6]Action Items 3. [7]Info Share 4. [8]JLReq v2 Publication Request 5. [9]CSS Escape Sequences 6. [10]Ruby Discussion 7. [11]AOB? * [12]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Action Items close ACTION-80 <trackbot> ACTION-80 Update the review radar and respond to WGs on pending reviews closed <r12a> [13]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar [13] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar <r12a> [14]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_history [14] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_history <r12a> [15]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Pipeline [15] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Core_Pipeline Info Share <fsasaki> [16]http://www.w3.org/2011/12/mlw-lt-charter.html [16] http://www.w3.org/2011/12/mlw-lt-charter.html felix: kickoff of project bring the mlw-lt-charter forward ... find metadata for all kinds of language related processing on the web ... includes things like localization, MT, etc. ... influence developers and all kinds of content producers to bring content metadata to the web <fsasaki> [17]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/mlw-lt/ [17] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/mlw-lt/ felix: please ask AC Reps to join the above group richard: name of the WG is... <r12a> MultilingualWeb-LT felix: Multilingual Web LT ... where LT == Language Technologies ... ITS Interest Group to be closely associated ... I am co-chair and staff contact felix: other chairs are Dave Filip, David Filip <fsasaki> [18]http://www.cngl.ie/index.html [18] http://www.cngl.ie/index.html richard: getting closer to the ML Web Workshop ... last one organized by the ML Web project ... felix's new project may organize similar in the future ... registration is quite high ... so get registrations in ... be aware of it and tell others about it <r12a> [19]http://multilingualweb.eu/register [19] http://multilingualweb.eu/register <scribe> chair: welcome new member: John O'Conner from Adobe john: adobe just joined the WG and asked me to represent them ... been involved for 16-17 years ... interested in web services and technologies richard: hixie has proposed addition of @translate to HTML5 ... as a global attribute JLReq v2 Publication Request [20]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jan/00 08.html [20] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jan/0008.html richard: may be a little early ... but they think they're done with the content ... next step is for me to edit their English ... they are publishing a paper version in Japanese in Japan ... and the date for that is 10 April ... so they want to release W3C Note document about the same time ... perhaps a week earlier ... we need to approve as a working group for it to go forward CSS Escape Sequences [21]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jan/00 07.html [21] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jan/0007.html I18N-ISSUE-147 <r12a> [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Jan/0536.html [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Jan/0536.html [23]https://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/147 [23] https://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/147 richard: some browsers implement escapes in CSS incorrectly ... and you have to enter UTF-16 surrogate pairs to get a supplementary character ... and it's not supposed to work that way - and it creates a usability issue for authors; charmod frowns upon it addison: goodness gracious!! richard: call on the mustard in CharMod <scribe> ACTION: addison: write to CSS style list strongly opposing surrogate pair escapes in CSS and citing CharMod [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Write to CSS style list strongly opposing surrogate pair escapes in CSS and citing CharMod [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-02-01]. Ruby Discussion koji: I see a few threads running in parallel ... Ian doesn't believe double-sided ruby is common enough ... so I gathered some example addison: waiting for statistics to share koji: another thread is about fallback ... supporting idea of <rb><rb><rt><rt> sequence addison: concerned about the word-by-word thread koji: fallback issue ... similarity to letter-by-letter example because ... we want to join words when we do fallback richard: eric made some comments along those lines ... assumed that if you wanted to find word boundaries, as in jukugo ... then use mutliple ruby elements <ruby> <rb>tokyo</rb><rt>tok</rt><rt>yo</rt></ruby> <r12a> <ruby><rb>tok</rb><rb>yo</rb><rt>tok</rt><rt>yo</rt></ruby> <r12a> [25]http://rishida.net/blog/?p=469 [25] http://rishida.net/blog/?p=469 [26]http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/#en-subheading2_3 [26] http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/#en-subheading2_3 richard: think mono ruby and jukugo ruby use same markup ... and group ruby is different ... jukugo looks sometimes *like* group ruby koji: changing markup to build group ruby is a hack until we have css-ruby spec ... when text is unbreakable, then using group ruby markup is okay ... but when text is breakable, but can style as group ... so change markup ... if text can break, markup should always indicate where breaks are ... and then can style as breaking or non-breaking richard: don't have to change markup, just style with no-break koji: might need one more style then richard: marked up as mono ruby, but want to behave as group ruby ... without markup change ... want it to behave and look like group ruby ... so if six base characters and four hiragana character ... you want the four distributed evenly across <matial> sorry, have to leave now richard: 11 february date ... reading threads, it's very complicated ... and really need something very simple to summarize ... and would like additional approaches and pros/cons in short simple prose to add to wiki ... another question arising from the email thread is do we need <rb> mandatory or optional ... may be a case, as in A12Y, for rb in simple ruby since voice browsers need to work with every type of markup ... IE doesn't do a lot of the newer elements except via the shiv, and rb could be added to the shiv just like we recently added bdi <joconner> must drop off the phone now but will remain on IRC richard: does (someone) have more time to go through the pile of emails and pull out key points to add to wiki? (Koji agreed to help with that) AOB? Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: addison: write to CSS style list strongly opposing surrogate pair escapes in CSS and citing CharMod [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] -- Richard Ishida Internationalization Activity Lead W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) http://www.w3.org/International/ http://rishida.net/
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