[I18N Core] Teleconference Minutes 2007-04-24

... are at http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html and below as text.

Felix

   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                             i18n core WG

24 Apr 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Apr/0025.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Greg, Tom, Richard, Francois, Dave, Najib, Felix

   Regrets
          Vijay, Karunesh, Michael

   Chair
          Richard

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Agenda & actions review
         2. [6]Info Share
         3. [7]New last call WDs
         4. [8]'Homework'/Agenda Build page
         5. [9]Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages
         6. [10]SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6
         7. [11]ITS WG input to EMMA review
         8. [12]Tagging text with no language information
         9. [13]CSS reference to Unicode vs ISO 10646
        10. [14]CSS out of range unicode escapes
        11. [15]EMMA review
        12. [16]AOB
     * [17]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

   Planned agenda taken from [18]http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework:
Topic: Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages

     [18] http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework

      http://www.unicode.org/~asmus/other/w3c/tr20-8d9.html

      Objective: APPROVE FOR PUBLICATION

Topic: SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6

      http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2006Dec/0021.html

      Discuss. Added by Felix.

Topic: ITS WG input to EMMA review

      http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/00
07.html
      Christian is asking whether i18n core wants to send his comments
as part of its review of EMMA.

Topic: Tagging text with no language information

      http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag

      Currently in discussion

Topic: CSS reference to Unicode vs ISO 10646

      http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0052.html

      Any issue here ?

Topic: CSS out of range unicode escapes

      http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0045.html
      http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0054.html

      Any issue here ?

Agenda & actions review

   <r007a> See [19]http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework

     [19] http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework

   <r007a> ACTION: Andrew, read comments for What should I consider wrt
   moving to UTF-8?
   [20]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
   and seek resolutions and propose necessary edits [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING

     [20] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
     [21] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11

   <r007a> ACTION: David, redraft What is encoding, and why should I
   [22]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding for 1st May recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02] PENDING

     [22] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding
     [23] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02

   <r007a> ACTION: Felix, send comments we discussed to SPARQL folks
   ([24]http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-la
   ngMatches) [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13] DONE

     [24] 
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches)
     [25] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13

   <najib> hi everybody,

   <r007a> ACTION: Felix, send private email to XML SChema to discuss
   point 2 in
   [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/003
   0.html and look at creating a page describing the proposal later
   [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12] PENDING

     [26] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html
     [27] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12

   <r007a> ACTION: RI, publish What should I consider wrt moving to
   UTF-8?
   [28]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html
   [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING

     [28] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html
     [29] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11

   <r007a> ACTION: Richard, consider a F2F since it has been awhile.
   Before or at same time as plenary? [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13] PENDING

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13

Info Share

   <GregAaron> no news...

   Richard: if you want to participate in "Internationalization and
   Unicode Conference" , please submit and abstract ASAP
   ... deadline was yesterday

   <r007a> [31]http://www.unicodeconference.org/

     [31] http://www.unicodeconference.org/

   Richard: conference dates October 15-17
   ... submit something today if possible

New last call WDs

   <r007a> Semantic Annotations for WSDL and XML Schema

   <r007a> [32]http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-sawsdl-20070410/

     [32] http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-sawsdl-20070410/

   <r007a> 10 April 2007, Last Call Ends 1 May 2007

   felix: only a namespace change in that draft, no need to look at
   that

'Homework'/Agenda Build page

   <r007a> [33]http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework

     [33] http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework

Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages

   <r007a> *

   <r007a> [34]http://www.unicode.org/~asmus/other/w3c/tr20-8d9.html

     [34] http://www.unicode.org/~asmus/other/w3c/tr20-8d9.html

   <r007a> Objective: APPROVE FOR PUBLICATION

   Richard: looking for agreement to publish this on 3rd of May
   ... Felix sent out a mail last week Monday, any comments now?
   ... agreement to publish this?

   Francois: agreed

   <najib> +1

   RESOLUTION: WG agrees with publication of the update of Unicode in
   XML ... as WG note

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to prepare Unicode in XML .. WG Note for
   publication [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html#action07]

SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6

   <r007a> *

   <r007a>
   [36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2006Dec/0021.html

     [36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2006Dec/0021.html

   <r007a> Discuss. Added by Felix.

   <scribe> ACTION: Richard to follow up on "SVG WG comments on the 06
   Nov CSS21 WD - issue 6" topic [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html#action08]

ITS WG input to EMMA review

   <r007a> *

   <r007a>
   [38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0
   007.html Christian is asking whether i18n core wants to send his
   comments as part of its review of EMMA.

     [38] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0007.html

   Richard: first question: should core make these comments instead of
   ITS WG?
   ... I don't think core needs to do that

   Felix: agree
   ... ITS will make more comments about ITS in other W3C specs

   Richard: would they make a review page like core?

   Felix: possibly not, but I'll aks

   Richard: they should send comments separately, one per mail
   ... another question: how do we get informed? Copied on all mail
   exchanges etc?
   ... opinions?

   Francois: no opinion
   ... would not mind to be copied on these threads

   Richard: Greg?

   Felix: I'd propose that the ITS WG puts i18n core into CC for
   comments sent out

   Richard: sounds fine by me
   ... another comment on XML Schema and ITS

   agreement to have this comment also via the ITS WG (if they want to
   make it) and keep i18n core in the loop

Tagging text with no language information

   <r007a> *

   <r007a> [39]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag

     [39] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag

   <r007a> Currently in discussion

   Richard: lot's of discussion about e.g. xml:lang="und" vs.
   xml:lang=""
   ... still working on it, getting help from Mark

CSS reference to Unicode vs ISO 10646

   <r007a> *

   <r007a>
   [40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0052.html

     [40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0052.html

   <r007a> Any issue here ?

   Felix: the LTRU group made some changes to the latest BCP 47 draft
   related to that, but not sure what the outcome is

   Francois: maybe issue 79 needs our attention, see
   [41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2006Dec/0021.html
   ... they say "pointing to Unicode is sufficient"

     [41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2006Dec/0021.html

   Richard: not clear about this either. They have references to
   Unicode and ISO

   Francois: normative or not?

   Richard: normative

   <r007a> [42]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-CSS21-20061106

     [42] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-CSS21-20061106

   <r007a> [43]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-CSS21-20061106/refs.html#q1

     [43] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-CSS21-20061106/refs.html#q1

   Richard: both in the normative section

   disucssion between Richard and Francois on the draft

   <scribe> ACTION: Francois to sent a mail to CSS about the CSS 2.1
   issue related to Unicode references [recorded in
   [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html#action09]

   Richard: issue 79

   <r007a> "ISSUE-79: (not using IRI:s in CSS)

   <r007a> Björns response:
   [45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Aug/0232

     [45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Aug/0232

   <r007a> SVG WG: The SVG WG will not further pursue this issue, but
   recommends that

   <r007a> the i18n WG reviews and acts on this issue if the resolution
   is found

   <r007a> unsatisfactory."

   Richard: will discuss this next meeting

   <r007a> ACTION: RI, make sure that it's clear we are talking about
   issue 79 and get the right uri [recorded in
   [46]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html#action10]

CSS out of range unicode escapes

   <r007a> *

   <r007a>
   [47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0045.html
   [48]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0054.html

     [47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0045.html
     [48] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Apr/0054.html

   <r007a> Any issue here ?

   Richard: postponed until next meeting

EMMA review

   Richard: did not have much time to look at it, if you have any
   thoughts on it, please send a mail to the public list

   <GregAaron> take care until next time

AOB

   adjourned

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to prepare Unicode in XML .. WG Note for
   publication [recorded in
   [49]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: Francois to sent a mail to CSS about the CSS 2.1 issue
   related to Unicode references [recorded in
   [50]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: RI, make sure that it's clear we are talking about
   issue 79 and get the right uri [recorded in
   [51]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Richard to follow up on "SVG WG comments on the 06 Nov
   CSS21 WD - issue 6" topic [recorded in
   [52]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-core-minutes.html#action08]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Andrew, read comments for What should I consider
   wrt moving to UTF-8?
   [53]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
   and seek resolutions and propose necessary edits [recorded in
   [54]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11]
   [PENDING] ACTION: David, redraft What is encoding, and why should I
   [55]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding for 1st May recorded in
   [56]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Felix, send private email to XML SChema to discuss
   point 2 in
   [57]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/003
   0.html and look at creating a page describing the proposal later
   [recorded in
   [58]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12]
   [PENDING] ACTION: RI, publish What should I consider wrt moving to
   UTF-8?
   [59]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html
   [recorded in
   [60]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Richard, consider a F2F since it has been awhile.
   Before or at same time as plenary? [recorded in
   [61]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13]

     [53] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
     [54] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11
     [55] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding
     [56] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02
     [57] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html
     [58] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12
     [59] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html
     [60] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11
     [61] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13

   [DONE] ACTION: Felix, send comments we discussed to SPARQL folks
   ([62]http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-la
   ngMatches) [recorded in
   [63]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13]

     [62] 
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches
     [63] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13

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