- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:18:19 +0900
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... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes
and below as text.
- Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n core working group
13 Jun 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0011.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-irc
Attendees
Present
Felix, Francois, Karunesh, Mary, Richard, Vijay
Regrets
Chair
Francois
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]SSML i18n workshop report (by Richard)
3. [7]Workshop in India
4. [8]action items (part 2)
5. [9]discussion of
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Ju
n/0009.html comments on intput mode
6. [10]compound doc issue
7. [11]two possible approaches to LTLI
8. [12]rechartering preparation - any news?
9. [13]other business?
* [14]Summary of Action Items
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action items
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to find out how we should handle ws-i18n
"policy" now, with the policy wg (ONGOING) [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Richard (if you want): Report on SSML workshop, and
WWW 2006 (DONE) [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
SSML i18n workshop report (by Richard)
Richard: not much left to say
Francois: nothing ground breaking?
Richard: the composite message scenario for SSML?
... we thought about SSML in two contexts:
... handcrafting a text, putting things into it, then an SSML
processor works with it
... that scenario is e.g. for a telephone prompt
... a different scenario might be a news read
... where you read news e.g. for a data base
... in that case you will not do any special tweaks of low level
attributes / elements
... at the SSML workshop, there was a third scenario: you get some
information from the DB
... e.g. you get the date from the DB in "the date is ..."
... or "the total number of pages printed is ..."
... if you say "we printed seven pages"
... that would be difficult for languages with high inflection
... all the rules on composite messages I wrote recently in an
article apply in that case
... we have to see what the implemencations will be
Francois: interesting. Is there an allowance for variables in SSML?
Richard: that is up to you, SSML has no specific facility for that
... but some Greek people did that
Francois: so the SSML processor gets just plain SSML, but a
different processor does the rest?
Richard: yes
... e.g. you could use the say-as element
... you can have that as part of a template for your sentence
... but that would not be so easy with e.g. news feeds, because you
first would need to identify e.g. ordinal numbers
Francois: any conclusion for the workshop?
Richard: we gathered requirements
... there will be a summary
... there might be another workshop
... these guys are kean on i18n
... they want more people more Indian e.g.
Felix: would ITS be a place to describe such constraints as with the
variable stuff?
Richard: don't know, maybe in ITS
Workshop in India
Richard: on the 2nd and 3rd of August
... a workshop with strong interest in speech
... maybe people from the voice browser wg
... Felix might be able to participate as well
Felix: I will make that clear ASAP
Francois: organized by the Indian office?
Richard: yes
action items (part 2)
<scribe> ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather
feedback (PENDING) [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
norm (PENDING) [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Mary to review [19]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after
18 May before 30 June (PENDING) [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
[19] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/
<scribe> ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu
on ws-i18n (PENDING) [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Richard to create a wiki on "first letter", post a
blog and write a mail to the Unicode list about it (PENDING)
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
discussion of
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0009.h
tml comments on intput mode
[23]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0009.html
Richard: I already got a response from Martin, he felt he could deal
with this
... I don't think there is s.t. specific at this time, Steven just
wants somebody to talk to
Martins mail:
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001
2.html
[24]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html
Richard: there is a specific issue, and Martin has responded already
<scribe> ACTION: Everybody to look at input mode discussion, see
Martin's mail at
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001
2.html [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
[25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html
compound doc issue
<fyergeau_>
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001
0.html
[27]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0010.html
Richard: accessibility people have raised the same issue as we did
about compound documents
Francois: We tried, CDF refused
Felix: coming from an ITS perspective and the problems we have with
the conref mechanism, I tend to agree with the CDF people
Richard: people might want to use this stuff
Francois: CDF people say the stuff would be like standalone
... I am still worried that people create compound documents with
images
Richard: we should get it in the i18n BP document
Felix: Yves said he will take care of that
Richard: we talk about documents included by reference
... if the SVG is included in the HTML file, what do we say?
Francois: in that case, the xml:lang will apply
... from the case of accessibility, we could say "we tried with CDF,
they pushed back"
... accessiblity might be stronger
Richard: but the same theory applies
... if we agree with CDF, we should go back to accessibility like
that as well
... and people should be educated
... to use language information in every included piece
<scribe> ACTION: Richard to reply to accessibility people about CDF
issue [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
Richard: we should also say:
<r12a> that the referenced document would be handled as if it were
read on its own
two possible approaches to LTLI
see
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/
0073.html
[29]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0073.html
Francois: Did Mark make some recommendations?
Felix: he proposed to built locale identifiers on top of RFC 3066bis
Francois: I think that matches current practice more closlely than
the other solution (i.e. having locale and language totally
separated)
Richard: what are we dealing with here? E.g. collations?
Francois: what a locale is depends very much on the application area
Felix: what notion fits to ws i18n?
Mary: depends also on application
discussion on various notions of locale
rechartering preparation - any news?
Richard: no news yet.
other business?
Francois: not here next week
Richard: let's have a call
... at some time, we should go through some concepts of RFC 3066bis
Francois: please tackle ITS if possible next week
Mary: will do
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Everybody to look at input mode discussion, see
Martin's mail at
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001
2.html [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Richard to reply to accessibility people about CDF
issue [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
[30]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html
[PENDING] ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather
feedback [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to find out how we should handle ws-i18n
"policy" now, with the policy wg [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
norm [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mary to review [36]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after
18 May before 30 June [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu
on ws-i18n [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Richard to create a wiki on "first letter", post a
blog and write a mail to the Unicode list about it [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
[36] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/
[DONE] ACTION: Richard (if you want): Report on SSML workshop, and
WWW 2006 [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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