- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:18:19 +0900
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... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes and below as text. - Felix [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ i18n core working group 13 Jun 2006 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0011.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-irc Attendees Present Felix, Francois, Karunesh, Mary, Richard, Vijay Regrets Chair Francois Scribe Felix Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]action items 2. [6]SSML i18n workshop report (by Richard) 3. [7]Workshop in India 4. [8]action items (part 2) 5. [9]discussion of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Ju n/0009.html comments on intput mode 6. [10]compound doc issue 7. [11]two possible approaches to LTLI 8. [12]rechartering preparation - any news? 9. [13]other business? * [14]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ action items <scribe> ACTION: Felix to find out how we should handle ws-i18n "policy" now, with the policy wg (ONGOING) [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01] <scribe> ACTION: Richard (if you want): Report on SSML workshop, and WWW 2006 (DONE) [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02] SSML i18n workshop report (by Richard) Richard: not much left to say Francois: nothing ground breaking? Richard: the composite message scenario for SSML? ... we thought about SSML in two contexts: ... handcrafting a text, putting things into it, then an SSML processor works with it ... that scenario is e.g. for a telephone prompt ... a different scenario might be a news read ... where you read news e.g. for a data base ... in that case you will not do any special tweaks of low level attributes / elements ... at the SSML workshop, there was a third scenario: you get some information from the DB ... e.g. you get the date from the DB in "the date is ..." ... or "the total number of pages printed is ..." ... if you say "we printed seven pages" ... that would be difficult for languages with high inflection ... all the rules on composite messages I wrote recently in an article apply in that case ... we have to see what the implemencations will be Francois: interesting. Is there an allowance for variables in SSML? Richard: that is up to you, SSML has no specific facility for that ... but some Greek people did that Francois: so the SSML processor gets just plain SSML, but a different processor does the rest? Richard: yes ... e.g. you could use the say-as element ... you can have that as part of a template for your sentence ... but that would not be so easy with e.g. news feeds, because you first would need to identify e.g. ordinal numbers Francois: any conclusion for the workshop? Richard: we gathered requirements ... there will be a summary ... there might be another workshop ... these guys are kean on i18n ... they want more people more Indian e.g. Felix: would ITS be a place to describe such constraints as with the variable stuff? Richard: don't know, maybe in ITS Workshop in India Richard: on the 2nd and 3rd of August ... a workshop with strong interest in speech ... maybe people from the voice browser wg ... Felix might be able to participate as well Felix: I will make that clear ASAP Francois: organized by the Indian office? Richard: yes action items (part 2) <scribe> ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather feedback (PENDING) [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03] <scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04] <scribe> ACTION: Mary to review [19]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after 18 May before 30 June (PENDING) [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05] [19] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ <scribe> ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws-i18n (PENDING) [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06] <scribe> ACTION: Richard to create a wiki on "first letter", post a blog and write a mail to the Unicode list about it (PENDING) [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07] discussion of [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0009.h tml comments on intput mode [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0009.html Richard: I already got a response from Martin, he felt he could deal with this ... I don't think there is s.t. specific at this time, Steven just wants somebody to talk to Martins mail: [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001 2.html [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html Richard: there is a specific issue, and Martin has responded already <scribe> ACTION: Everybody to look at input mode discussion, see Martin's mail at [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001 2.html [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08] [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html compound doc issue <fyergeau_> [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001 0.html [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0010.html Richard: accessibility people have raised the same issue as we did about compound documents Francois: We tried, CDF refused Felix: coming from an ITS perspective and the problems we have with the conref mechanism, I tend to agree with the CDF people Richard: people might want to use this stuff Francois: CDF people say the stuff would be like standalone ... I am still worried that people create compound documents with images Richard: we should get it in the i18n BP document Felix: Yves said he will take care of that Richard: we talk about documents included by reference ... if the SVG is included in the HTML file, what do we say? Francois: in that case, the xml:lang will apply ... from the case of accessibility, we could say "we tried with CDF, they pushed back" ... accessiblity might be stronger Richard: but the same theory applies ... if we agree with CDF, we should go back to accessibility like that as well ... and people should be educated ... to use language information in every included piece <scribe> ACTION: Richard to reply to accessibility people about CDF issue [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09] Richard: we should also say: <r12a> that the referenced document would be handled as if it were read on its own two possible approaches to LTLI see [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/ 0073.html [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0073.html Francois: Did Mark make some recommendations? Felix: he proposed to built locale identifiers on top of RFC 3066bis Francois: I think that matches current practice more closlely than the other solution (i.e. having locale and language totally separated) Richard: what are we dealing with here? E.g. collations? Francois: what a locale is depends very much on the application area Felix: what notion fits to ws i18n? Mary: depends also on application discussion on various notions of locale rechartering preparation - any news? Richard: no news yet. other business? Francois: not here next week Richard: let's have a call ... at some time, we should go through some concepts of RFC 3066bis Francois: please tackle ITS if possible next week Mary: will do Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Everybody to look at input mode discussion, see Martin's mail at [30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/001 2.html [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Richard to reply to accessibility people about CDF issue [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09] [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Jun/0012.html [PENDING] ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather feedback [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to find out how we should handle ws-i18n "policy" now, with the policy wg [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Mary to review [36]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after 18 May before 30 June [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws-i18n [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING] ACTION: Richard to create a wiki on "first letter", post a blog and write a mail to the Unicode list about it [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07] [36] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ [DONE] ACTION: Richard (if you want): Report on SSML workshop, and WWW 2006 [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/13-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [41]scribe.perl version 1.127 ([42]CVS log) $Date: 2006/06/13 16:16:49 $ [41] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [42] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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