- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:50:47 +0900
- To: "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <44617127.2050602@w3.org>
... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html
and below as text. Francois and Mary left the call before the "first
letter styling" topic, which started after the official end time of the
call.
Regard, Felix.
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n core working group
9 May 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006May/0003.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc
Attendees
Present
Felix, Francois, Karunesh (for "first letter styling" topic),
Mary, Richard, Vijay (for "first letter styling" topic)
Regrets
Chair
Francois
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]MWBP review - need to follow up?
3. [7]Review of ITS tagset draft
4. [8]Charmod resid / charmod norm
5. [9]LTLI
6. [10]WCAG review.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/
7. [11]next meeting(s)
8. [12]Discussion of "Named Character Sequences"
9. [13]First letter styling
* [14]Summary of Action Items
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Francois: last minutes are o.k.
action items
<scribe> ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather
feedback (ONGOING) [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
Francois: at least one page was password protected
... it is also hard to access since there is no access page,
although it is quite self evident
... let's have this ongoing, that others can have a look
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to check that Addisons comments are o.k. with
regard to patent policy (DONE) [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
Francois: richard suggested to follow up in long term, but no need
to track it
<scribe> ACTION: all to give feedback on the LTLI draft (ONGOING)
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
Richard: I took a look, I'll give feedback later
... there is a lot of discussion at the www-i18n-comments list
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to make restructuring of the LTLI conformance
(DONE) [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
Felix: done this afternoon (Japanese time)
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to send in the comments from Martin on Mark's
UAX 15 revision proposal to Unicode (DONE) [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
Francois: that was specifically the reordering issue, right?
Felix: yes
Francois: No need to do s.t. more about that for now
<scribe> ACTION: Francois, ping Martin about when we can make the
tests public (DONE) [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
Francois: no response yet
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are,
where they will stay (PENDING) [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
Felix: asked Martin, no response yet
<scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
norm (PENDING) [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu
on ws i18n (PENDING) [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
MWBP review - need to follow up?
Richard: If you think these are good comments, back them up. Appart
from them, I have no other comments, I'm fine with the document.
Francois: Need to say more about MWBI? Our message came across
Richard: If they come back to me, then I'll bring it up to you again
Francois: Excellent
Review of ITS tagset draft
Francois: We should review it, we need a reviewer who is not in the
ITS working group
Mary: I'll have a look
<scribe> ACTION: Mary to review http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after 18
May, before 30 June [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09b]
Felix: Great
... I'll ping you again as it is a "real" last call draft
Charmod resid / charmod norm
Felix: possibility to have a time schedule?
Francois: hard to make
Felix: Richard and me should have a look what time we could use for
this
<scribe> ACTION: Felix and Richard to think about their time
ressources for charmod norm [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]
LTLI
Francois: There was a discussion on the i18n-comments list
... Felix proposed to implement the discussion results, I don't see
an issue with that
Richard: My conclusion was that people say the right thing, so I'll
wait until you do the next version
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to implement discussion results from the
i18n-comments list [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
Richard: one idea: have a separte section for the discussion of
"language versus locale"?
... because that is what people confuses a lot
Felix: good idea
Richard: section 4, where you have the requirements: maybe separate
sections for language and locale?
Francois: maybe that is too much
Felix: currently it is very similar to the resid draft, where you
have a section similar to sec. 4
Richard: would you leave it like that?
Felix: yes
Richard: 4, point "4" could have a termref
Felix: good point
Francois: I would like a bit more explanatory stuff here
... for example the definition of a basic language range etc.
... at least an example
Felix: good point
Richard: two aspects of the document: make it "normativly clear",
and make it understandable
... you need to have a balance between the two
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to create examples for defined terms (like
"language range") [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action12]
Felix: a general question: The editor's copy is already heavenly
changed
... should we republish?
Richard: If people reading the published version very often, you
should republish, otherwise, you don't need to
Francois: We should favor frequent publishing
Richard: You don't want to publish s.t. if you are not confident
about changes
Felix: I'll try to make the LTLI changes tomorrow, so that you can
have a look
WCAG review. [28]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/
[28] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/
Felix: due until 31 May 2006
Richard: I'll do it, but need an extension
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to ask for a review extension for WCAG (2-3
weeks) [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action13]
next meeting(s)
Richard: I'll be here next week, but not the two weeks after that
Felix: I'll be away the next two weeks
Francois: we should have a meeting next week. If Felix does the LTLI
stuff until then, we should publish it
Felix: publishing would be fast
Francois: o.k., so have a meeting next week, and cancel the meeting
in two weeks
Discussion of "Named Character Sequences"
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006May/000
5.html
[30]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006May/0005.html
Francois: technically, the identifiers have no impact at all
... giving a name to them has no impact on anything
... what we do
... it is more a human, than a technical thing
First letter styling
Francois and Mary already left the call, but Vijay, Karunesh,
Richard and Felix discussed this topic
<karunesh> Felix: can you stay for a minute after meeting
<karunesh> Felix are you there
Hi Karunesh
<karunesh> yes can we talk on the phone
Sure, I'll dial in again
Karunesh: Regarding the discussion on first letter styling for
Indian languages:
... for Hindi and Dev. we discussed whether it should be graphemes
or syllable
... maybe it would be more appropriate for the grapheme cluster
... for other languages, we are contacting other specialists
... we are waiting for their feedback
Richard: great
... if you could send the conclusion via mail, to
www-international@w3.org
... I saw a mail from Goutam who also talked about this
Karunesh: I'll also get feedback for other languages
Richard: Goutam sent a mail about it this afternoon
Vijay: we would like to help and give more feedback
Richard: great
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Felix and Richard to think about their time ressources
for charmod norm [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to ask for a review extension for WCAG (2-3
weeks) [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to create examples for defined terms (like
"language range") [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to implement discussion results from the
i18n-comments list [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Mary to review http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ after 18 May,
before 30 June [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09b]
[PENDING] ACTION: all to give feedback on the LTLI draft [recorded
in [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather
feedback [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are,
where they will stay [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
norm [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu
on ws i18n [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to check that Addisons comments are o.k. with
regard to patent policy [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to make restructuring of the LTLI conformance
[recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to send in the comments from Martin on Mark's
UAX 15 revision proposal to Unicode [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Francois, ping Martin about when we can make the
tests public [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
[End of minutes]
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