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Re: Comments on "Use Cases & Exploratory Approaches for Ruby Markup"

From: MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 17:45:14 +0900
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To: "public-i18n-cjk@w3.org" <public-i18n-cjk@w3.org>
Folks,

I visited Prof. Nakano of Keio University.  He has been involved
in accessibility for low-vision people.

His study indicates that (1) fallback to parenthesized text
is disliked by many students (both normal and low-vision
students), and that (2) students (esp. low-vision students)
prefer ruby having 100% height and 70% width of ruby base
characters.

http://web.econ.keio.ac.jp/staff/nakanoy/research/largeprint/02_standard/2012/research1/result2/chapter3-2-4.html


Regards,
Makoto

2020年1月21日(火) 15:24 MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>:

>
>
> 2020年1月21日(火) 14:34 Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>:
>
>> Hello Makoto,
>>
>> On 21/01/2020 14:13, MURATA Makoto wrote:
>> > I am puzzled by 2.1 Accessibility use case in
>> > "Use Cases & Exploratory Approaches for Ruby Markup".
>> >
>> > https://www.w3.org/TR/ruby-use-cases/#accessibility
>> >
>> > First, please provide a link to the research by the
>> > Japanese government.
>> >
>> > Second, as far as I know, some dyslexic people have
>> > problems with hiragana and ruby.  They can read
>> > kanji.  I thus just cannot believe the content of this
>> > subsection.
>>
>> I'm sure that there are dyslexic people who have problems with hiragana,
>> but can read kanji. But I'm also sure that there are dyslexic people who
>> have problems reading kanji but have no (or less) problems reading
>> hiragana.
>>
>> It would be good to have references for both cases. Can you provide a
>> reference for your case?
>>
>
> I have heard of anecdotes, but I cannot think of any
> references.   I will try, but I cannot promise anything.
>
> I have spoken with two dyslexic guys, who have problems
> with hiragana.  I have also heard that some dyslexic guys
> have problems with kanji.
>
>
> > Third, low-vision is completely ignored.
>>
>> Yes, low vision (an optical problem) is not the same as difficulty with
>> visual recognition. I guess low vision would in general support
>> hiragana, although there may be exceptions for simple kanji or kanji
>> with otherwise easily recognizable features.
>>
>
> I am going to speak with an expert in this area.soon.
>
>>
>> Anyway, I think the conclusion of section 2.1 (direct access to ruby
>> base is needed) is not wrong, it may just be incomplete. If you can
>> provide an additional conclusion, that would be great.
>>
>
> I think that 2.1 is biased and the lack of a reference to the
> JP government research is problematic.
>
> Regards,
> Makoto
>
>
>>
>> Regards,    Martin.
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Makoto
>


-- 
Regards,
Makoto
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