Re: dir=auto makes no sense for descendant user-visible attributes

The HTML bug has been submitted as
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16160.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Matitiahu Allouche <matial@il.ibm.com>wrote:

> So the wording should be (small change):
> * attribsdir = "auto": the directionality of each of the element's
> attributes must be computed based on that attribute's value.
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> Shalom (Regards),  Mati
>       Bidi Architect
>       Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
>       IBM Israel
>       Mobile: +972 52 2554160
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> From:        "Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin" <aharon@google.com>
> To:        Matitiahu Allouche/Israel/IBM@IBMIL
> Cc:        Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, Ehsan Akhgari <
> ehsan@mozilla.com>, Najib Tounsi <ntounsi@emi.ac.ma>,
> public-i18n-bidi@w3.org
> Date:        29/02/2012 14:58
> Subject:        Re: dir=auto makes no sense for descendant user-visible
> attributes
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> See below
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> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Matitiahu Allouche <*matial@il.ibm.com*<matial@il.ibm.com>>
> wrote:
>    Hello, Aharon!
>
> We are almost in agreement. You wrote:
> * attribsdir = "auto": the directionality of each of the element's
> attributes must be computed independently from the attribute's value.
> <end of quote>
> I believe that you meant "independently from the element's value".
>
> What I meant was that the directionality of each attribute is independent
> of the others. I think it's best to simply drop the word "independently".
>
>
> You wrote:
> * attribsdir not specified:
>     o If the element has dir=auto (explicitly or by default, as is the
> case for the bdi element), or if the element inherits its directionality
> from such an element, then the directionality of each of the element's
> attributes is computed independently from the attribute's value, as for
> attribsdir="auto".
> <end of quote>
> It is the same problem as above. I suggest the following text instead:
> * attribsdir not specified:
>     o If the element has dir=auto (explicitly or by default, as is the
> case for the bdi element), or if the element inherits its directionality
> from such an element, then the directionality of each of the element's
> attributes must be computed as if attribsdir="auto" had been specified.
>
> Good
>
>
>
> Shalom (Regards),  Mati
>       Bidi Architect
>       Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
>       IBM Israel
>       Mobile: *+972 52 2554160* <%2B972%2052%202554160>
>
>
>
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> From:        "Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin" <*aharon@google.com*<aharon@google.com>
> >
> To:        Najib Tounsi <*ntounsi@emi.ac.ma* <ntounsi@emi.ac.ma>>
> Cc:        Matitiahu Allouche/Israel/IBM@IBMIL, "Martin J. Dürst" <*
> duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp* <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>>, Ehsan Akhgari <*
> ehsan@mozilla.com* <ehsan@mozilla.com>>, *public-i18n-bidi@w3.org*<public-i18n-bidi@w3.org>
> Date:        29/02/2012 12:47
> Subject:        Re: dir=auto makes no sense for descendant user-visible
> attributes
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> Thanks, Najib, for summarizing above.
>
> I have come around to Mati's view.
>
> Here is a formulation that works the way Mati wants it but also avoids the
> bdi issue. It also makes use of the concept of element directionality whose
> inheritance (as opposed to the inheritance of the dir attribute) is defined
> in the HTML5 spec (*
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-dir-attribute*<http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-dir-attribute>):
>
>
> A new attribute, attribsdir="ltr|rtl|auto", is proposed which
> would determine the directionality in which an element's attributes (for
> example title, alt and placeholder) must appear when displayed to the user:
>
>  * attribsdir="ltr": the directionality of the element's attributes is
> 'ltr'
>  * attribsdir="rtl": the directionality of the element's attributes is
> 'rtl'
>  * attribsdir = "auto": the directionality of each of the element's
> attributes must be computed independently from the attribute's value. If an
> attribute's value contains a character of bidirectional character type AL
> or R, and there is no character of bidirectional character type L anywhere
> before it in the attribute's value, then the directionality of the
> attribute is 'rtl'. Otherwise, the directionality of the attribute is
> 'ltr'.
>  * attribsdir not specified:
>     o If the element has dir=auto (explicitly or by default, as is the
> case for the bdi element), or if the element inherits its directionality
> from such an element, then the directionality of each of the element's
> attributes is computed independently from the attribute's value, as for
> attribsdir="auto".
>     o Otherwise, the directionality of the element's attributes is the
> same as the element's directionality.
>
> I intend to file a bug on HTML5 with that wording (after explaining the
> current problems). If anyone sees a problem, please respond ASAP.
>
> Aharon
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