Re: dir=auto makes no sense for descendant user-visible attributes

So the wording should be (small change):
* attribsdir = "auto": the directionality of each of the element's 
attributes must be computed based on that attribute's value. 


Shalom (Regards),  Mati
       Bidi Architect
       Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
       IBM Israel
       Mobile: +972 52 2554160




From:   "Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin" <aharon@google.com>
To:     Matitiahu Allouche/Israel/IBM@IBMIL
Cc:     Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, Ehsan Akhgari 
<ehsan@mozilla.com>, Najib Tounsi <ntounsi@emi.ac.ma>, 
public-i18n-bidi@w3.org
Date:   29/02/2012 14:58
Subject:        Re: dir=auto makes no sense for descendant user-visible 
attributes



See below

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Matitiahu Allouche <matial@il.ibm.com> 
wrote:
   Hello, Aharon! 

We are almost in agreement. You wrote: 
* attribsdir = "auto": the directionality of each of the element's 
attributes must be computed independently from the attribute's value. 
<end of quote> 
I believe that you meant "independently from the element's value". 

What I meant was that the directionality of each attribute is independent 
of the others. I think it's best to simply drop the word "independently".
 

You wrote: 
* attribsdir not specified: 
    o If the element has dir=auto (explicitly or by default, as is the 
case for the bdi element), or if the element inherits its directionality 
from such an element, then the directionality of each of the element's 
attributes is computed independently from the attribute's value, as for 
attribsdir="auto". 
<end of quote> 
It is the same problem as above. I suggest the following text instead: 
* attribsdir not specified: 
    o If the element has dir=auto (explicitly or by default, as is the 
case for the bdi element), or if the element inherits its directionality 
from such an element, then the directionality of each of the element's 
attributes must be computed as if attribsdir="auto" had been specified.

Good
 


Shalom (Regards),  Mati
      Bidi Architect
      Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
      IBM Israel
      Mobile: +972 52 2554160




From:        "Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin" <aharon@google.com> 
To:        Najib Tounsi <ntounsi@emi.ac.ma> 
Cc:        Matitiahu Allouche/Israel/IBM@IBMIL, "Martin J. Dürst" <
duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, Ehsan Akhgari <ehsan@mozilla.com>, 
public-i18n-bidi@w3.org 
Date:        29/02/2012 12:47 
Subject:        Re: dir=auto makes no sense for descendant user-visible 
attributes 




Thanks, Najib, for summarizing above. 

I have come around to Mati's view. 

Here is a formulation that works the way Mati wants it but also avoids the 
bdi issue. It also makes use of the concept of element directionality 
whose inheritance (as opposed to the inheritance of the dir attribute) is 
defined in the HTML5 spec (
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-dir-attribute): 

A new attribute, attribsdir="ltr|rtl|auto", is proposed which 
would determine the directionality in which an element's attributes (for 
example title, alt and placeholder) must appear when displayed to the 
user: 

 * attribsdir="ltr": the directionality of the element's attributes is 
'ltr' 
 * attribsdir="rtl": the directionality of the element's attributes is 
'rtl' 
 * attribsdir = "auto": the directionality of each of the element's 
attributes must be computed independently from the attribute's value. If 
an attribute's value contains a character of bidirectional character type 
AL or R, and there is no character of bidirectional character type L 
anywhere before it in the attribute's value, then the directionality of 
the attribute is 'rtl'. Otherwise, the directionality of the attribute is 
'ltr'. 
 * attribsdir not specified: 
    o If the element has dir=auto (explicitly or by default, as is the 
case for the bdi element), or if the element inherits its directionality 
from such an element, then the directionality of each of the element's 
attributes is computed independently from the attribute's value, as for 
attribsdir="auto". 
    o Otherwise, the directionality of the element's attributes is the 
same as the element's directionality. 

I intend to file a bug on HTML5 with that wording (after explaining the 
current problems). If anyone sees a problem, please respond ASAP. 

Aharon