Re: 3.11 A page's overall vertical scrollbar (WAS: RE: Implementation status of "Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML")

Agreed.

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Ehsan
<http://ehsanakhgari.org/>


On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin
<aharon@google.com>wrote:

> It seems to me that since scrollbar position is legitimately out of scope
> for both CSS and HTML, we need to cover it in a new W3C document of
> "recommendations" for user agent implementors.
>
>  Aharon
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Ehsan Akhgari <ehsan@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not positive that this would get accepted into the CSS spec.  There
>> are user agents today which do not use scrollbars as scrolling mechanisms,
>> so I honestly am rethinking whether this makes sense as a CSS proposal at
>> all...
>>
>> --
>> Ehsan
>> <http://ehsanakhgari.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 7:04 PM, CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi, I wish there could be something in css.
>>> > 3.11 A page's overall vertical scrollbar should be on the "end" side
>>> relative to the user agent
>>> > chrome direction
>>> > Bug 10825 filed on HTML5.
>>> > Proposes specifying that the user agent window's overall vertical
>>> scrollbar should be located
>>> > independent of the direction of any page element, despite being
>>> otherwise controlled by the
>>> > style of thebody element.
>>> > Rejected as out-of-scope: “The HTML spec doesn't even require that
>>> there be a window in the
>>> > first place, let alone a scroll bar. Plus, user interface decisions are
>>> explicitly left up to
>>> > user agents since they represent quality-of-implementation issues and
>>> not interoperability
>>> > issues.”
>>> > Close the bug?
>>> > It appears likely that a proposal to add this to the CSS spec would
>>> also be rejected, since “CSS> explicitly mentions only a *scrolling
>>> mechanism* and considers out-of-scope how that mechanism
>>> > is implemented. It could be scroll bars, or a little panner map in the
>>> corner, arrow buttons
>>> > along each edge of the box, or a joystick control with no on-screen
>>> representation, or something
>>> > else.”
>>>
>>> ME: However, but I am not the one to decide this, I can see the vertical
>>> scrollbar's alignment as a possible future css value for the overflow
>>> attribute -- overflow: scrollleft ; overflow: scrollright (or this would
>>> have to be verticaloverflow maybe? Of course scrollleft and scrollright
>>> would only apply to vertical overflow obviously so no need to specify
>>> vertical).  Is this out of scope?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> --C. E. Whitehead
>>> cewcathar@hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: aharon@google.com
>>> > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:30:30 -0800
>>> > To: public-i18n-bidi@w3.org
>>> > Subject: Implementation status of "Additional Requirements for Bidi in
>>> HTML"
>>> >
>>> > Here is an implementation status
>>> > document summarizing
>>> > the status of each proposal. I will continue to update it as the status
>>> > continues to change.
>>> >
>>> > If some part of the status is not to your liking, you are most welcome
>>> > to contribute to the discussion on the various bugs and threads linked
>>> > by the document while it is still possible to change things. Or, if you
>>> > can try to get a consensus here on public-i18n-bidi first.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Aharon
>>>
>>
>>
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