RE: Initial Feedback on Bidi Improvements in HTML

Hi.

From: Eyal Sela <eyal@isoc.org.il> 
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 16:40:59 +0300


*** <li> - change default alignment  -- the default alignment for <li>
> should not be according to its dir but according to the list's dir (rtl list
> item in an ltr list should be aligned to the left unless explicitly stated
> otherwise)         

> Yuval Atzmon                In favor

> Simon Montagu             In favor

> Tom Bigelajzen             In favor

> Shoshannah Forbes       In favor

I was not there and am not a speaker of an rtl language (except for 2 years of Arabic in grad school);
my take is that where some list elements are aligned to the right and some to the left
it would be nice if the display lined these up to some degree anyway -- that is kept all on one side of the page.

See the attached file (which can be done with css anyway
and thus which I did by specifying a very narrow width for the div element containing the list;
the width can be specified for the list items themselves;
but ... it would be nice if the default displays were more like this
... although [1], this is up to browser makers' display algorithms; and [2], this is being picky I guess)


Best,

C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar@hotmail.com 


From: aharon@google.com
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:38:49 +0300
To: crc@yahoo-inc.com
CC: public-i18n-bidi@w3.org; adil@diwan.com; behdad@behdad.org
Subject: Re: Initial Feedback on Bidi Improvements in HTML


> I have not seen such layout in Hebrew books.

> Would you by any chance have a scan of such a page or a document url that intentionally uses such layout?

> Aharon


> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Craig Cummings <crc@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:

>>Dear Aharon and Bidi Specialists,

>> Our first comments relate to section 3.10. The IE example 1 actually appears to be the correct solution -- we prefer this over the proposed solution. That is, default behavior should not ‘line up’ bullets or numbers to all the same side, more or less the left side, of an <li> element. Persian and Arabic (not sure about Hebrew) books, for example, have references/bibliographies with RTL references (and Arabic-Indic numerals) mixed with LTR references (and European numerals). RTL list items and their numbering in these references are right aligned and LTR list items and their numbering are left aligned.

>> We have concerns about other parts of the specification and will be putting these in a email soon.

>> Thank you,


>> Craig Cummings, Yahoo
>> Roozbeh Pournader, Gnome