[html-bidi] Additional features to 'Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML'

Hello,

On March 25th the Israeli W3C office held a workshop revolving around the
document 'Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML'. The purpose of the
workshop was to  gather Israeli Bidi experts in order to review the document
and possibly suggest changes or new features that should be added to it. The
Workshop was led by Aharon Lanin, editor of the document. 

 

The following people participated in the workshop: Aharon Lanin, Yuval
Atzmon, Simon Montagu, Tom Bigelajzen, Shoshannah Forbes, Amit Aronovitch,
Eyal Sela (W3C Israel representative) 

 

Below is a list of statements/features that we believe should be discussed
and possibly integrated into the document. 

Below each statement is the opinion of each of the participants about it
(excluding Aharon Lanin, Amit Aronovitch and me). 

(attached to this email is a PDF version of the list, for easier reading.)

 

*** hflip will be able to define two URLs - one for an rtl image and one for
ltr image.  

Yuval Atzmon                In favor, user's responsibility to make sure the
same height/width settings work for both images

Simon Montagu             In favor (I'll work out a suggestion for the
syntax and send it to the list)

 Tom Bigelajzen             Against. Not enough of an improvement to justify
still more new syntax.

Shoshannah Forbes       In favor, user's responsibility to make sure the
same height/width settings work for both images

 

***make sure that hflip doesn't cause a bug in vector graphics

Yuval Atzmon                In favor

Simon Montagu             In favor

 Tom Bigelajzen             -

Shoshannah Forbes       In favor

 

*** <li> - change default alignment  -- the default alignment for <li>
should not be according to its dir but according to the list's dir (rtl list
item in an ltr list should be aligned to the left unless explicitly stated
otherwise)         

Yuval Atzmon                In favor

Simon Montagu             In favor

 Tom Bigelajzen             In favor

Shoshannah Forbes       In favor

 

*** When using dir="auto" the implementation must determine the direction
before it displays any part of the text.             

Yuval Atzmon                In favor

Simon Montagu             In favor

 Tom Bigelajzen             In favor

Shoshannah Forbes       In favor

 

*** The bdi values could be: before | after | both | none , instead of the
suggested yes, no, and bdi.        

Yuval Atzmon                Against, I prefer the simpler yes/no (although I
admit I'm not sure what before/after means for isolatoin)

Simon Montagu             Against (I'm not sure what the use case is, and it
is likely to complicate the implementation)

Tom Bigelajzen             Against. Too complicated, no clear use case, and
may make it more difficult to integrate into CSS.

Shoshannah Forbes       -            

 

*** The behavior of a scroll bar in frame should be determined. Probably
should be according to the body of the inner document. 

Yuval Atzmon                In favor

Simon Montagu             in favor

 Tom Bigelajzen             In favor

Shoshannah Forbes       In favor

 

*** The workaround suggested for title on an outer element doesn't work on
an alt. on the other hand, you don't really need that workaround since you
can put the alt direction in the dir attribute, which has on other use on an
image.  we agree that it would be clearest to have altdir and titledir.     

Yuval Atzmon                In favor

Simon Montagu             In favor

 Tom Bigelajzen             In favor

Shoshannah Forbes       In favor

 

 

Best Regards,

 

אייל סלע | מנהל פרויקטים, הועדה הטכנולוגית ומשרד ה-W3C הישראלי | איגוד
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Eyal Sela | Project Manager, Technology Committee & the Israeli W3C office |
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