- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:46:36 +0000
- To: public-i18n-arabic@w3.org
https://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html
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Arabic layout task force telecon
22 Nov 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-irc
Attendees
Present
Shervin, najib, r12a
Regrets
Chair
Shervin
Scribe
r12a, Shervin
Contents
* [3]Topics
* [4]Summary of Action Items
* [5]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<scribe> ScribeNick: Shervin
<r12a>
[6]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016
OctDec/0022.html
[6]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html
<r12a>
[7]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016
OctDec/0023.html
[7]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html
<najib>
[8]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-%28Draft%2
9
[8] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-(Draft)
<r12a>
[9]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016
OctDec/0018.html
[9]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0018.html
<najib> [10]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/issues/2
[10] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/issues/2
Shervin: Starting from Najib draft on numeral...
<r12a> "even though some fonts may not distinguish between the
changing glyph"
<r12a> shervin: shouldn't call this out, since it's just a
broken font
<r12a> ... all persian fonts have both sets of numbers
<r12a> r12a: "western" should be "european" to conform to
Unicode terminology and that chosen by us way back
<r12a> hebrew: 1 + 1 = 2
<r12a> arabic: 2 = 1 + 1
<r12a> arabic: items 12 - 10
<r12a> he: items 10 - 12
<r12a> shervin: use 'north-west Africa' rather than 'Magreb',
since the sphere we're talking about is wider
<r12a> ... wrt percent sign, i think if arabic-indic are used
percent sign is 066A
<r12a> ... and you shouldn't mix with 0025
<r12a> ... we need to look at authoritative sources to
determine which is the 'right' way to do things here
<r12a> ... should there be spaces? should the percent sign
appear on either side ?
<r12a> najib: i looked at bank reports and official government
law books from Morocco
<r12a> shervin: be careful, since some reports are generated by
software - textbooks from an established publisher or
schoolbooks are a much better measure
<r12a> ... since people creating that text ensure that it is
correct
<r12a> najib: i'm documenting what i see, rather than what's
correct
<r12a> shervin: ... what's in use is not necessarily correct -
first we need to look at notable sources
<r12a> ... we can always call it out that common people do
things differently
<r12a> shervin: why no mention of arabic thousands separator
[11]http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=%D9%AB&B1=S
how
[11] http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=٫&B1=Show
[12]http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=066C
[12] http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=066C
<r12a> shervin: or the arabic decimal separator
<r12a> shervin: it's a good start - it points to areas of
contention - some things need to be shortened - eg. if you use
the correct thousands separator it solves confusion
<r12a> ... thanks for the effort
<r12a> najib: please comment on the wiki, and add
suggestions/corrections
<r12a> ... too early for PR, stay with wiki for now
[13]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/201
6OctDec/0022.html
[13]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html
r12a: Three issue; 1. Underline thickness, 2. Skipping ink when
it runs into descender, 3. How determine the position of the
underline relative to the character
<najib> [14]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86
[14] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86
r12a: 4. What happens with underline with mixed-script text?
<r12a> shervin: first impression is that whenever underline
happens (mostly in manuscripts, which use underline as wanted)
there's always a separation between the lowest descender and
the line
<r12a> ... unless space was a premium - ie no skip needed
<r12a> ... i think leaving to the font may be a good idea
<r12a> ... i can provide examples
<r12a> ... historical use case of underline is very very
limited
<r12a> ACTION: Shervin to provide some historical examples for
underline [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action01]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Provide some historical examples
for underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29].
<r12a> najib: i think underline is a western concept
<r12a> shervin: certainly it is, but i've seen it around in
historical documents
<r12a> najib: i didn't find much underlines in any official
texts i looked at
<r12a> [16]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86
[16] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86
<r12a> [17]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/459
[17] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/459
<r12a> shervin: let's leave nastaliq out of this, because it
makes things very complicated
<r12a> r12a: look at the last example at
[18]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-2615288
11 and think about how that relates to baseline
[18] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811
<r12a> shervin: Najib could you please add the names of the
fonts here
<r12a> ACTION: Najib to provide names of fonts at
[19]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-2615288
11 [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action02]
[19] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811
[20] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Provide names of fonts at
[21]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-2615288
11 [on Najib Tounsi - due 2016-11-29].
[21] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811
<scribe> ACTION: Shervin Test other fonts for the underline
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action03]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Test other fonts for the
underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29].
[23]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/201
6OctDec/0023.html
[23]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html
[24]http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist
[24] http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist
<r12a>
[25]http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist#text_decoration
[25] http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist#text_decoration
<r12a>
[26]http://w3c.github.io/typography/index#text_decoration
[26] http://w3c.github.io/typography/index#text_decoration
[27]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/137j59fPt1nkl0h6O72S
R50SX3MHk0lWzmqcEaAmo1zM/edit#gid=0
[27]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/137j59fPt1nkl0h6O72SR50SX3MHk0lWzmqcEaAmo1zM/edit#gid=0
[28]http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jep/3336451.0013.105?view=text;
rgn=main
[28]
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jep/3336451.0013.105?view=text;rgn=main
<r12a> Justify Just or Just Justify link is now protected
[29]http://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0013.105
[29] http://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0013.105
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Najib to provide names of fonts at
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Shervin Test other fonts for the underline
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Shervin to provide some historical examples for
underline [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action01]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action02
[31] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action03
[32] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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