- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:46:36 +0000
- To: public-i18n-arabic@w3.org
https://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html text version follows: Arabic layout task force telecon 22 Nov 2016 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-irc Attendees Present Shervin, najib, r12a Regrets Chair Shervin Scribe r12a, Shervin Contents * [3]Topics * [4]Summary of Action Items * [5]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <scribe> ScribeNick: Shervin <r12a> [6]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016 OctDec/0022.html [6] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html <r12a> [7]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016 OctDec/0023.html [7] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html <najib> [8]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-%28Draft%2 9 [8] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-(Draft) <r12a> [9]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016 OctDec/0018.html [9] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0018.html <najib> [10]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/issues/2 [10] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/issues/2 Shervin: Starting from Najib draft on numeral... <r12a> "even though some fonts may not distinguish between the changing glyph" <r12a> shervin: shouldn't call this out, since it's just a broken font <r12a> ... all persian fonts have both sets of numbers <r12a> r12a: "western" should be "european" to conform to Unicode terminology and that chosen by us way back <r12a> hebrew: 1 + 1 = 2 <r12a> arabic: 2 = 1 + 1 <r12a> arabic: items 12 - 10 <r12a> he: items 10 - 12 <r12a> shervin: use 'north-west Africa' rather than 'Magreb', since the sphere we're talking about is wider <r12a> ... wrt percent sign, i think if arabic-indic are used percent sign is 066A <r12a> ... and you shouldn't mix with 0025 <r12a> ... we need to look at authoritative sources to determine which is the 'right' way to do things here <r12a> ... should there be spaces? should the percent sign appear on either side ? <r12a> najib: i looked at bank reports and official government law books from Morocco <r12a> shervin: be careful, since some reports are generated by software - textbooks from an established publisher or schoolbooks are a much better measure <r12a> ... since people creating that text ensure that it is correct <r12a> najib: i'm documenting what i see, rather than what's correct <r12a> shervin: ... what's in use is not necessarily correct - first we need to look at notable sources <r12a> ... we can always call it out that common people do things differently <r12a> shervin: why no mention of arabic thousands separator [11]http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=%D9%AB&B1=S how [11] http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=٫&B1=Show [12]http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=066C [12] http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=066C <r12a> shervin: or the arabic decimal separator <r12a> shervin: it's a good start - it points to areas of contention - some things need to be shortened - eg. if you use the correct thousands separator it solves confusion <r12a> ... thanks for the effort <r12a> najib: please comment on the wiki, and add suggestions/corrections <r12a> ... too early for PR, stay with wiki for now [13]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/201 6OctDec/0022.html [13] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0022.html r12a: Three issue; 1. Underline thickness, 2. Skipping ink when it runs into descender, 3. How determine the position of the underline relative to the character <najib> [14]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86 [14] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86 r12a: 4. What happens with underline with mixed-script text? <r12a> shervin: first impression is that whenever underline happens (mostly in manuscripts, which use underline as wanted) there's always a separation between the lowest descender and the line <r12a> ... unless space was a premium - ie no skip needed <r12a> ... i think leaving to the font may be a good idea <r12a> ... i can provide examples <r12a> ... historical use case of underline is very very limited <r12a> ACTION: Shervin to provide some historical examples for underline [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action01] [15] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Provide some historical examples for underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29]. <r12a> najib: i think underline is a western concept <r12a> shervin: certainly it is, but i've seen it around in historical documents <r12a> najib: i didn't find much underlines in any official texts i looked at <r12a> [16]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86 [16] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86 <r12a> [17]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/459 [17] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/459 <r12a> shervin: let's leave nastaliq out of this, because it makes things very complicated <r12a> r12a: look at the last example at [18]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-2615288 11 and think about how that relates to baseline [18] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 <r12a> shervin: Najib could you please add the names of the fonts here <r12a> ACTION: Najib to provide names of fonts at [19]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-2615288 11 [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action02] [19] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 [20] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Provide names of fonts at [21]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-2615288 11 [on Najib Tounsi - due 2016-11-29]. [21] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 <scribe> ACTION: Shervin Test other fonts for the underline [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action03] [22] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Test other fonts for the underline [on Shervin Afshar - due 2016-11-29]. [23]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/201 6OctDec/0023.html [23] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2016OctDec/0023.html [24]http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist [24] http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist <r12a> [25]http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist#text_decoration [25] http://w3c.github.io/typography/checklist#text_decoration <r12a> [26]http://w3c.github.io/typography/index#text_decoration [26] http://w3c.github.io/typography/index#text_decoration [27]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/137j59fPt1nkl0h6O72S R50SX3MHk0lWzmqcEaAmo1zM/edit#gid=0 [27] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/137j59fPt1nkl0h6O72SR50SX3MHk0lWzmqcEaAmo1zM/edit#gid=0 [28]http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jep/3336451.0013.105?view=text; rgn=main [28] http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jep/3336451.0013.105?view=text;rgn=main <r12a> Justify Just or Just Justify link is now protected [29]http://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0013.105 [29] http://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0013.105 Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Najib to provide names of fonts at https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-261528811 [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Shervin Test other fonts for the underline [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Shervin to provide some historical examples for underline [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action01] [30] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action02 [31] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action03 [32] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/22-alreq-minutes.html#action01 Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes]
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