[hcg] minutes March 23, 2012

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              Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconference

23 Mar 2012

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/03/23-hcg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Debbie_Dahl, Bert, Janina_Sajka, Steven

   Regrets
   Chair
          Debbie_Dahl

   Scribe
          janina

Contents

     * [3]Topics
     * [4]Summary of Action Items
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   <trackbot> Date: 23 March 2012

   <scribe> scribe: janina

   <Steven> action-71?

   <trackbot> ACTION-71 does not exist

   dd: I may have had an action to move old actions to our new
   tracker!

   <ddahl> action-1?

   <trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Chris Lilley to see which tracker is on
   irc nowadays -- due 2012-03-16 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [5]https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/1

      [5] https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/actions/1

   <ddahl> action-2?

   <trackbot> ACTION-2 does not exist

   ddahl: Old action was to discuss media handling
   ... Old action #72 was to discuss discovery, where there's
   quite a lot going on.
   ... We also have Actions 73 & 75 to do with tracker management
   ...
   ... So, no specific discussion items

   sp: Suggest AC Forum the place to take Janina's Halloween
   concern

   ddahl: But HCG a good place to see if other WG's have this
   issue
   ... Not so much in MM, but maybe we've people who choose work
   over family.
   ... Suspect they'd rather not have the conflict.

   sp: Not so important in Europe. No one's mentioned the
   conflict.

   ddahl: I was happy it was earlier so I got vote (U.S.) in
   person rather than absentee.
   ... Always something
   ... Suggest posting something to the AC Forum
   ... Notes that it really is a big deal for young children.
   ... So the point is to raise awareness of this additional
   constraint in scheduling TPAC

   janina: I'll raise it in AC Forum.
   ... Noting that ARIA User Agent Implementation Guide needs to
   go through second review

   ddahl: Who to review?

   janina: Primarily browsers -- implementors of a11y features

   ddahl: ddahl: Were there PF comments that were not forwarded
   for MultiModal?

   janina: Perhaps, I'll check
   ... We're trying to approve our process for comments. We need
   to get the substance out there, even when it's still an
   individual opinion
   ... So that we don't not send because our process to get group
   approval of the comments gets commenting delayed

   <Steven> [6]http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0

      [6] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0

   sp: Xforms has been producing working drafts via Wiki
   ... Intentionally looks like a standard W3 spec
   ... We have scripts to turn this into html
   ... Working this way has raised the question of why working
   drafts for TR if they're constantly available via the Wiki?

   janina: Maybe because the TR process was defined before we had
   Wikis?

   sp: Maybe something else to raise in the AC Forum

   ddahl: Or also the process questionairre
   ... Started to respond to that questionairre and found it takes
   time to do a good job of it
   ... I think the working draft on wiki question is a good one
   ... Looking at the Xforms Wiki, looks exactly like a TR Working

   Draft

   sp: This came up when our last editor moved on and no one
   stepped up to replace them
   ... We decided everyone was an editor
   ... We moved to this format more or less automatically as we
   had a transform that took html to wikitalk
   ... It was surprisingly little work

   ddahl: And another script to go back to html?

   sp: yes
   ... LC should be html because you want a stable unchanging doc
   at that point
   ... But seems no point to heartbeat anylonger.

   Bert: Difficult to refer to things that change, though.
   ... Fragment identifiers start to break

   ddahl: Seems an ability to unroll and look at changes is there

   Bert: Also, when I do presentations, I prepare in advance,
   sometimes weeks in advance,
   ... And it's nice to have reliable URIs to refer to

   ddahl: Good point
   ... I suppose could pull out an ad hoc working draft

   janina: I'm seeing more and more URIs in print books and wonder
   how many of those are now dead
   ... Want to say that PF will be suggestiong W3C consider
   implications of cross organizational collaboration
   ... We think our process docs/policies should be clear about
   implications of that
   ... i.e. where's the W3C interest, how to distinguish W3 from
   the other org, etc.

   ddahl: Not sure how to generalize.
   ... Noting that we've had useful discussion today even though
   we had no agenda up front
   ... Particularly missing HTML 5 participation. We need that.
   Doesn't need to be a chair.
   ... No call on April 6, Good Friday.
   ... Next will be April 20

   <ddahl> trackbot, format logs

   <trackbot> Sorry, ddahl, I don't understand 'trackbot, format
   logs'. Please refer to [7]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
   for help

      [7] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

   <ddahl> trackbot, format minutes

   <trackbot> Sorry, ddahl, I don't understand 'trackbot, format
   minutes'. Please refer to
   [8]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

      [8] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

Summary of Action Items

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