RE: Volunteers for Chair?

Namaste  

Welcome on board Michael Robbins 

 

I will continue to be helpful supporting person in your new welcome role.

 

Technology cannot be aggressive and oppressive using monolingual model to serve the comity of World- Languages. English has done well, but it cannot assume to be the Big brother with a stick to regulate non-English like languages access to technology benefits.

 

Tim has provided good foundation to progress further.

 

Regards

BVK Sastryr

 

 

From: Timothy Holborn [mailto:timothy.holborn@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 August 2024 16:11
To: Michael Robbins
Cc: public-humancentricai@w3.org
Subject: Re: Volunteers for Chair?

 

the link is: https://www.w3.org/community/humancentricai/participants 

 

You've got to be logged in.  I think there should be a vote at some stage, i'll help with hand-over stuff. Certainly, if others want to put their hand-up for consideration as to create a contested election, then, I'm guessing some time will be required to allow enough for people to put their hat in the ring.  

 

perhaps, best wait a bit and follow-up tomorrow and/or off list, if there's no other expressions of interest. 

 

I've had stalker issues (simplification) that have had to be addressed by police / court interventions/orders historically, and have done damage in anycase; so don't want to make contact info (other than linkedin  / email); but will provide other contact info privately.

 

Tim.h. 

 

On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 20:29, Michael Robbins <michael@learningpathmakers.org <mailto:michael@learningpathmakers.org> > wrote:

I will volunteer to chair the group. I will need your engagement and support to do this, Timothy. I also hope to hear from others who may be familiar lwith the issues and want to step up.

 

Regarding work with the next generation:

 



 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> coda.io

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> And

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  



 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> coda.io

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> The best time to plant a tree is now:

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  


 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 



 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Michael Robbins on LinkedIn: #datadignity #regenerativeai #wethepeople

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> linkedin.com

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 🙏🏼🌄M

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 



 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> On Aug 9, 2024, at 5:59 AM, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Respectfully sir, whilst the opposition, the barriers may have been insurmountable for anyone, I do nonetheless believe that I have indeed failed..  I am troubled by the implications, the consequences. Yet, the responsible approach is to let the group know, that it is indeed, beyond me; whilst offering support for anyone willing and/or interested in taking on the challenge and related 'mantel', as to do otherwise and continue to take the spot - without being equipped to do the job, would be dishonourable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2dkp2jMWRU&list=PLCbmz0VSZ_vponyiYMLdoJ_gGmA-6iwG_&index=5 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> There are a variety of purposeful, in my mind - universal - values, that i'm committed to seeking to see successfully make the transition through this 'digital transformation' journey, most impactful to younger generations in particular; whom, we owe a debt of care & consideration, that appears to have been absent in all too many ways, over recent years. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?keywords=%22human+centric%22&index-grp=Public__FULL&type-index=&resultsperpage=100&sortby=date-asc

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> The notion of human centric infosphere ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infosphere ) engineering, has progressed alot; yet, the term is muddied and decisions are made clear by what is resourced, and what is not. Within various international fora, the call for human centric outcomes, whether related to AI - most don't appear to understand semantic web = ai ( https://x.com/DameWendyDBE/status/1172470883610431489 ) & that there's a thing, sometimes known as the 'web of data', but they're issues that can only really be discussed in person with those charged with the responsibility of making decisions, and i can't get there; nor can i fully fund the underlying costs of producing the POC / RD&D reqs associated to demonstrating alternatives to what it is, the assumptions upon which, they're basing their decisions - at least, when employing the english language... 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> i also have a deficit in skills in some areas of importance, which again, is a resourcing related issue; alongside structural problems, associated to the governance frameworks & priorities of organisations that do have the resources, but seemingly find it too hard to make use of them for 'humanitarian ict' / human rights related purposes; as is not a problem, for works that relate to commodification related activity; and then, as noted in the cogai works,

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cogai/

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I think there's a series of requirements to ensure works on better understanding human consciousness through technological prosthetic apparatus are made safe.  the level of 'competitive engagement' that has led to what i consider to be defeat, has indeed, been overwhelming..  very sad, in my view, but i think also, a fairly surmised position.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I'm not turning to the darkside...  but, if this group is to improve its progress  - there should be someone else taking on the difficult task of chairing the group, to lead curation of its activities. It is also, important to note, that this is a public list, gets consumed by LLMs alongside everything else...  working through the human factors, is a nontrivial undertaking..  🙏🕊️

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Best.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Timo (timothy holborn.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> https://www.linkedin.com/in/ubiquitous/ 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 04:29, Michael Robbins <michael@learningpathmakers.org> wrote:

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> “failure” 💔🖤

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve given up. Your emails echo deep in my soul, Timothy. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I’ve failed 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I’ve been defeated 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I can’t do this anymore 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I say these things to myself almost every day. But somehow I keep going. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Here’s what I discovered. We can’t solve the problems we are trying to solve with the web. We have to go so much bigger and a different route. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> There is no Northern passage. We must dig the Panama Canal. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> And that doesn’t start with technology, it begins with people. Which is why I spent last year working in an urban school in Washington, DC—working with educators and teaching AI to middle schoolers—to find the edge of opportunity. I found it. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I have discovered so much. I’ll leave the public link intact for now for anyone brave and curious to follow my footsteps. For anyone who wants to know the pathway I’ve charted. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Hic sunt dracones… “Here be dragons”

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> You didn’t fail, Timothy. We have outgrown the web—along with our systems for education and governance in digital society. We have the amazing opportunity to go beyond and build what comes next for learning, digital ecosystems, and democracy. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> You haven’t failed, Timothy. There is no way through with the web that has carried us so far. We must leave that canoe behind for the journey ahead. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Onward 🌄

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Michael 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwrxyz

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 



 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> On Aug 8, 2024, at 10:48 AM, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Hi Michael,

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> The list is public - so, if you don't want to share the contents provided to the list, maybe you'll have to do something with the link...  just FYI.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> As the list is public, there's alot i can't get into.  Indeed, i think that's been an on-going issue generally with W3C works & similar, as the real human stuff, the use-cases that try to address serious problems, crimes like human trafficking related issues; the details, aren't for a public list.  indeed also, those pertaining to children, or the many other areas where our humanity, gets truely tested - not merely on the 'sunny days', but rather, how our technology serves us, as members of our humanity - when things aren't all ok...  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> it seems the ideals believed, are that a wallet will sort it all out - don't worry if you loose your phone, they can get you access to the wallet again - i assume..? 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> therein also, leading to another area of thought, that's seemingly not really allowed.  i'm very sad about a great many things that have been meaningful to me.  I don't think i'll be found wrong, at least, not in the end - but whether and how the WORLD wide web, will grow, is unknown; and, i've survived, although barely at times, some fairly serious attacks as the adversaries - go get this wallet thing done, seemingly because it'll protect human rights, support our values - better - even if i disagree..  or, perhaps, until later, idk. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> W3C can produce 'recommendations', or methods to do stuff.  In my time with Web-Payments, WebID, RWW, Credentials, SchemaGen and various other bits and pieces (inc. the old webizen initiative) ;  i remember the journey, few were there, billions now impacted. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> personally, 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> i've got a workstation that i'll use to adjust my deliberations around the reality of what is, rather than what i'd hoped, as articulated back in 2013,14, etc.  but, certainly not enough, not well enough.. wanting to build parts, in a less than peaceful space.  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> The workstation has a few a4500/a4000 GPUs, dual xeon, 256Gb ram, etc.  once i've done some background work on it, i'll be setting it up to be a private & personal AI server;  there's some bits & pieces https://github.com/WebizenAI/  basically, building upon the old 'read-write web' stack, then making various adjustments - inc. wireguard related personal networking, probably also patch in nymtech - seems, sadly, some of the elders - well, maybe we do need a new bbs age like - 'new internet' initiative.. Maybe, it's essential that those who remember the dial up days, DIY, etc.  get stuck into making an alternative, just in case digital slavery does become the dystopian underpinnings to a realm we don't want.  i dont know.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> there's a list of objectives outlined in posts https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-humancentricai/  - one of the major things that led to this group, was that i wanted to get human rights documents put into RDF, so that they could be used when forming agreements with one-another in social-web implementations (where there's no 3rd party platform intermediaries required between all human relationships); then finding, in the WSIS / UN related stuff, a range of problems that in my view, have proven themselves to have been overwhelmingly well prosecuted, over a very long period of time..  So, I didn't want to make a platform where hosts couldn't kick bad actors off it, nor did I want to own the human rights instruments as defined for digital transformation, or the ai safety protocols that were / are needed, etc..  Yet, the expectations, need to be reasonable, and, i don't think the dynamics related to that stuff, will be first discussed on a public w3c list, although, i hope at some stage - it does happen & that it does in-fact lead to good outcomes, not just rebranding processes for old programs.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> brave new world... IMHO: Asymmetrical pervasive surveillance is a remarkable feat of engineering - doesn't have much to do with STEM, but nonetheless, remarkable stuff...  how people can suffer so much, without means to have disputes resolved peacefully in courts of law; as others, apparently know everything..  they're values, are just so distant to me..  i've been losing hope.  I started, the renewed efforts in 2010 in a manner linked with presenting: https://vimeo.com/30416090 on the screens, at an event of importance, CHOGM 2011, having been handed 'the commission'...  but that's now, so many years ago...  its not like, there hasn't been an opportunity, or that we didn't produce the tools to empower them to do so; they just had other priorities...  apparently, making them - better people..  so, ok...

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> but, i don't think the technological infrastructure is at all human-centric; and, it seems any honourable effort to address it, has a negligible chance of success, irrespective of whether the words appear in marketing materials, or whatever else, linked with promotions... 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Telecoms, selling ISDN connections at $1000 PCM, weren't promoting ADSL for $50 PCM, in-fact, they got in the way.  Cable Companies, didn't help VOD systems; and CDNs, wrecked the international investigative journalism industry, as pricing control was centralised into the US via companies that didn't make any money - but - owned the global marketsphere & its advertising revenue markets...  so, no funding - just, public relations as a replacement, in an ecosystem that seems to prefer people forget, than tell the truth... 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> The group now has no chair.  If any member would like to become the chair, they just need to log in & goto https://www.w3.org/community/humancentricai/participants  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> officially, there should be a vote - via teleconf - but, we've not managed to do that yet generally..  if people are interested in a teleconf, let me know, or indeed also, feel welcome to have one without me ;)  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I think, if the WORLD wide web is to survive...  that is, something that is for all members of our human family..  then, well.  its 'the people', who will have to go do what needs to be done, to make sure that happens for the betterment of our human family, in a manner that is representative of our values..  and truth, at least seeking to work through it - even if it upsets someone, or has serious repercussive implications upon others - well, shouldn't mean its not allowed; and somehow, the values, the aspects of life that are of most importance, to need attention - without having to expose it all to public lists, where people look for weaknesses in their combat fantasies seeking to defeat 'competitors', for profits, or whatever...   at times, its almost like i should start selling books declared to be god..  not sure what the digitally transformed alternative is, but, regardless, i think the objective overall is to seek to ensure however its defined, its able to be commodified.  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> i'm just unable to maintain a high level of output, without resources, trying to smile & be friendly to all, whilst so troubled by the implications of what has in-fact happened in the past, morally sought, if honourable, to be silent about it. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> so, i think someone who is 'unburdened by the past' or whatever the statement is, is needed for a w3c human centric AI effort - if indeed, it's something sought to be maintained at all.  Certainly also, if there is no interest, the group can be closed, per w3c rules & processes.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> FWIW also;  I'm also looking for expressions of interest for 'web civics', which i set-up in 2014 as there wasn't any organisation in the internet governance ecosystems to support the production of free software, as required for human rights related purposes.  i recently spoke about humanitarian ict at the IETF119; and had planned to work on ontology for an 'agent discovery protocol' ecosystem, intended to impact a few things including 'human centric internet' as it was termed by IGF - but it seemed like, a few competitive alternatives then emerged - and, i'm troubled by many of the dynamics brought about as a consequence of credentials being commercialised without the other pieces - for reasons, i'm not sure is appropriate to go into, on these lists.  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> BRICS has alot of people within participating jurisdictions, last I checked, it's all associated to members of our human family who exist in our WORLD..  whether & how the World Wide Web & related ecosystems grow, or fail to, idk. As noted, I feel I've been defeated.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I've failed.  apologies, but i did my best..

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> best wishes.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Tim.

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> https://www.linkedin.com/in/ubiquitous/ 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 at 22:59, Michael Robbins <michael@learningpathmakers.org> wrote:

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Timothy,

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Thank you for your thoughtful email. I understand and share your frustrations. I’ve been on a parallel journey for the last decade+ as a social entrepreneur working at the intersection of education, the web, and community change. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I have reached a set of extensive conclusions and operating hypotheses related to your remarks and the mission of this group. Much of my knowledge and wisdom comes from direct experience and failure. It is complex and a LOT to explain. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I have put as much as possible into a Coda repository. This is not for public distribution but I’m talking a leap of faith and sharing it with you and the rest of this group. I call it the Yantismor Codex. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  



 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> coda.io

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I’m continuing to advance parts of this as possible with a fww close collaborators. It’s challenging given my staunch commitment to the public good and exodus from our age of technofeudalism. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I would welcome a discussion with everyone who is interested in learning more and exploring together. 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Michael 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwrxyz

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 



 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> On Aug 8, 2024, at 4:57 AM, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> FYI - FWIW - just figured out the archives link: https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?resultsperpage=100&sortby=date-asc 

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 at 18:54, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Hi All,

It's been reported to me that the group needs to have a chair-person, whilst i note, i've seen other groups without one.  I think this is an administrative requirement..  

There's a bit to update the group about, write a post about..  or perhaps a few posts...  but i'd like to step-down as chair, which means there needs to be a replacement. 

This doesn't mean that I'm unsupportive of efforts to bring about technological infrastructure that may reasonably support a variety of, what I'd consider to be universal ideals..  Yet, the conclusion that I've come to, again, overall is that i' feeling overwhelmingly defeated.  

I'm not presently sure how to best articulate, circumstances, deliberations, considerations & implications; that are complex, and in some areas of most importance, have serious privacy implications; whilst others, pertain to confidences, and behaving honourably is important to me. 

I started work on what i later called 'human centric' ecosystems, in 2000, due to a relatives work on how synaptic nerve-cells work which led him to be awarded a nobel prize, i was inspired by that work, alongside other factors - and went about designing an ecosystem for online data storage, that was based upon people owning their own data, and sharing content by links.  There were many facets involved in these first 'crescent network' / iBank designs, i was very young, troubled, naive & overall, just starting out, after several years in the ICT sector as a young person..  These works developed through an initial attempt, that led to an involvement with 'video on demand' and even 'streaming games' (soon thereafter); alongside wifi, and all sorts of other things; but, to characterise a fundamental dispute, there was opposing ideas; whilst i wanted fairness, means to empower people, the opposite point of view was to use the opportunity to manipulatively aggregate & seek to 'own it all', as a super aggregator...  this was a problem, that i've been struggling to ensure that at least alternatives exist to, since then.  It appears the consequence of various complex issues now leads to a thin-client 'wallet' based model being monopolistically deployed, and, i don't understand how to support access to justice, means for people to store & be able to use in a court of law, even if in poverty, electronic evidence pertaining to their lives to lawful remedy, peacefully and in a timely manner; as does in-turn also, impact our capacity to support STEM, fair-trading, electronic agreements where both parties define terms rather than asymmetrical agreements that may vary whenever; and beyond the many complex social implications, there are also significant issues pertaining to engineering systems to better support human consciousness via our technological infrastructure that's increasingly acting as a prosthetic dependency upon life, the lives of people, etc.

the outcome is also, that whilst i feel defeated - those who may be considered to have 'won', also do so in an ecosystem that poorly supports accountability, provenance tracking & personal responsibility.  Whilst seemingly good for some to 'make money' or indeed others, to merely get more promotions - it seems, such beneficiaries can always claim they've always been doing it, and so long as they've got the resources from the past wins, it doesn't really matter - whilst seeking to maintain an honourable approach, provide means to deliver outcomes where people can own the software (licensing, patent-pool considerations, etc) pertaining to their own thoughtware - well - that's work that's done in poverty, without funding or safety and the outcome of these fundamental requirements means that these foundations need to be ownable, by the 'data subject', themselves...  their own thoughtware...  their own 'api', defined by them - without undue interference or coercion.

means, in-turn, to build the test apparatus needed to better understand consciousness..  but how can that be done safely, given the environmentals generally..  I really don't know. 

Indeed, whether its called 'human centric', which i termed due to needing to have a condition in the earlier W3C work to ensure modalities of outcomes were broader than 'platform owned' or 'corporation centric' or indeed also, government centric - as the intellectual property for natural persons, wasn't supported - so, that's why a new term was needed, and i thought about it; notes can be found by searching the lists - noting, i've just gone to the link, it appears to have changed..  anyhow.  As noted, feeling defeated and due also to the code of conduct, I don't think discussion about some of the related issues can be discussed - regardless of science or reality...  

two last notes.

with respect to protecting the human rights & interests of children and in-turn also, identity development - which is a term pertaining to psychology / social sciences.  I understand efforts are being made to apply the wallet to all things internet.  i don't think itll deliver what they say it'll fix, but, if that's not the point of doing it - i probably can't talk about it anyway.

a straight forward solution is to use RDF on domains or even posts, to provide information about whether the content is suitable for children; ie: ratings. and then, have a browser plugin or OS tool that looks for these files, and then makes decisions based on what it says.  this means ontology needs to be done for it, and somme other tooling - fairly straight forward, should probably be done by schemaorg | could also be done in a way that means it associates to particular posts in a social media system, rather than just the high-level domain / URL.  

also; there's a bunch of stuff that i don't particularly want to see as an adult, therefore, restricting this approach to merely considering the interests of children as a child focused outcome; may in-fact, diminish the ability for the outcome to do so - for children.   Therefore, i considered the notion of terming any such initiative a personalisation solution 'myweb', which therein has a particularly attentive focus upon delivering outcomes to address the needs of young people.   The outcome would require websites to install the file and/or ontological supports, much like accessibility projects.

soe notes about it - still poorly drafted (imho) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c1Afo-bja_jksBEynHyG7nBDz71TAPOZYkagdoh4e6A/edit  

AND finally,  I apologise for not having been able to achieve more since i instigated the creation of the group.  There has been alot of work in the background, i'll go into it at some later stage.  But, should others have a belief in the notion called 'human centric' AI, Internet, etc..  then - finding someone willing to take on the role of Chair, would be very much welcomed and i'll do my best to support it, but that's not delivering much atm.  so, I guess, this is an honourable result..

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I have managed to obtain the 2nd hand parts to build a workstation that is suitable for local LLM related AI work.  I'm hopeful that i'll be able to build an environment that'll be good for art, RD&D, etc.  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> but this is different, to seeking to...  well.  I'm very troubled about the implications associated to some of my earlier works and the direction the world is going in generally, the implications, etc.  as i'm defeated, it appears the higher-level consensus must be, that i'm wrong; otherwise, why would the resources go into the stuff thats troubling, rather than solutions for tooling to help deliver SDGs and do all the good things - unless, the so called 'promoter' of such sorts of solutions, is wrong.  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> But thankyou for your time.  It's been a difficult ~12 years or so of W3C works..  i'll write about my personal deliberations otherwise, somewhere else.  I am happy to help any incoming chair learn more about the stuff they may not know re: w3c, etc.  where i can help..  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> I'll write about my view of what i intended re: human centric / human centric ai, sometime soon.  but, i do worry, that work with the best of intention - can seemingly be perverted - its like, inventing a hammer, then seeing it go to market as a new weapon, rather than something that's really helpful, when seeking to build homes...  notwithstanding the moral hazard with oversimplifications...  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> 🙏

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->  

 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN-> Timo.