- From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:44:59 +1000
- To: public-humancentricai@w3.org
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Hi All, Welcome to the people who have joined recently. May I first extend a welcoming motion, for people to be encouraged to introduce themselves and what it is that they'd like to see become part of this group's works; and in-turn also, the future of Human Centric AI systems and personal experiences... Note also; i've been alerted to TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/Overview.html whereby: W3c needs to know if the Community Group(s) would like to meet during TPAC 2023; and that we are asked to discuss & let them know *by 8 May at the latest.* Also, I am interested to learn which days / times best suit participants for zoom meetings, and what communications platforms members would prefer for 'unofficial' group work, as may be specific to w3c group members who've signed-up, so that all involved are on the same footing... I've historically used various platforms; at the moment, I prefer discord. although i have earlier used zulip, gitter, irc (w3c has an IRC channel for the group, in-effect); and various others solutions. in theory, we could also look to build an app that uses something like solid, however if that was something that i was tasked with, without additional resources, then i'd consider whatever i make experimental - at this stage; and that, moreover, that i am of the opinion that efforts should be made to encourage a decentralised approach to human centric ai related works, whereby official w3c works end-up being done via official w3c processes, channels and platforms... but again, open to suggestions. Attached is a link to the Human Centric AI CG Charter - Draft document that I've been working on myself.. Link is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ragkWVvqO5xqqYS4XPh2m4dqm8fWjH8vjKtZDzSB_kc/edit# The document is in British/Australian English (rather than US English); and I've not done a full compatibility check with pre-requisites, if there's any significant issues - please let me know. EXPLANATORY NOTES: 1. It is still considered an early draft. Input is sought. 2. It seeks to provide a basic summary definition of what Human Centric AI is and/or does; and thereby seeks to provide some context for the group. 3. It seeks to provide a basis upon which an affirmation of honourable intents is able to be conferred upon group members. A teaching I took on board was that an affirmation assumes that a person is honourable; whereas being sworn to act in a particular way, considers that the requirement to act honourably is unusual. 4. It refers to the UN related "Digital Transformation Agenda', whilst loosely, and thereby, some variations based upon https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/ are used to define 'community of practice' related considerations. 5. It considers transparency & accountability, probity, duties, responsibilities and the reasonable limitations that now currently apply. In-effect, the intended useful purpose of the method; seeks to bestow personal responsibility at the center of the structures, and to thereby seek to support governance upon the basis that where there are issues, they should for the most-part (save exception); relate to how a person / persons, may have breached their own values; and thereby seek to form means to be supportive. 6. It outlines the role of committees and related structures. The consideration being, that if this does in-fact become empowered with the support i think it deserves, that there is a lot that could be done; and that each constituency, may be better equipped via a focused group effort, whereby the 'brains trusts' for the nuances and specific considerations associated to that particular constituency, may be best presented by its team structures, et.al. 7. Authorised Representatives & Delegation It seeks to provide for 'authorised representatives' to assist by taking on particular commissions and/or missions, on behalf of the group. It also considers that - not all people have good relationships with all other people; and that, there may be issues that do not need to be laundered in public domain; and/or that people may become busy and/or unavailable due to various reasons, alongside other circumstances whereby the means to delegate agency becomes a useful mechanism in-order to serve the common good. 8. Registries It injects a concept of employing part of the administrative email system, as a baseline means to (privately); log the amount of effort that has been usefully provided towards the activities and/or enabling required works associated to the groups purposes / efforts. There is no financial mechanisms associated to this, however, i am effectively putting forward a suggestion that we seek to provide some level of accounting, on a best-efforts basis, to better honour the time and effort people put into these works; and to thereby, 8.1 uses the practice method as a sort of tutorial / experimental methodology, to better understand the relationship between ESG, SDGs, Human Rights and the challenges we have in seeking to support the efficacy of those terms / concepts. 8.2 that we seek to improve hygiene about provenance, whereby the efforts of people become part of an accounting system, even if it is just providing capacities for acknowledgement; that may in-turn also, act to better address issues where works are levied with the encumbrances of false attribution; or similar. The Proposed method is to use the internal email system that currently provides chair-persons and w3c notifications when a person has joined, etc. i am very open to having a broader discussion about this, and if anyone is aware of similar sort of practices - other than git / github (ie: commits); or indeed also, google docs (which has an API to pull contributor info, afaik); let me know. afaik, it's a bit 'innovative'.... thoughtfully so... imo. 9. The role of the Chair-person(s) It provides information about the role of chair-persons, both as to be mindful that some may not understand corporate governance generally; and also, in terms as applied to the charter for the group. Therein note also; that i consider the role that i am currently fulfilling as chair-person to be an interim measure as a form of 'care-taker' provision; whereby, once the group is put together sufficiently, and that there is a level of 'common sense', shared values, clarity on objectives and that group members have had the opportunity to get to know one-another a bit at least, etc. Then there should be a formal election for the role(s) of chair-person(s). I have sought to employ some of the 'city of london' (londinium) related principles; although not alot and/or, only loosely, but therein the idea of a 1 year term, rather than any longer. Similarly also, the concepts relating to committees (ie: livery companies / aldermen like) this in-turn seeks to form an innate structure where the role of persons is to serve the interests of the group. 10. Elections Provides general outline about elections, nominations, mechanisms through which the group may discharge its capacities to stand an officer down / relieve them of their role/duties, etc. It also makes statements as to seek people to be honest about their level of knowledge of internet governance, w3c and related bodies of knowledge; thought usefully important to the roles; without seeking to necessarily preclude any such persons without that knowledge, from seeking to be elected to a role of importance (ie: chairperson, or committee or authorised representative, etc.). It also outlines the nomination periods, etc. 11. Decision process this is based upon the terms drafted from the Credentials CG; and seeks to outline how resolutions are able to be defined. 12. The Registry The registry concept supplements the considerations made by (8) above, with some procedural methodologies / suggestions. 13. How changes to the charter are to be performed, once it has been formally approved by resolution. 14. WIP Activity Schedule / Works. I have started on this, however - have not spent so much time on it; yet, notwithstanding existing works otherwise, that are sought to be presented to the group for consideration. Fundamentally, the principle idea would be that the group identify different project opportunities, and that they then become listed as part of the artifacts to the charter; once they've been approved as 'official cg projects', notwithstanding the means - as should be encouraged, for people to identify, explore, incubate and develop ideas, until such a point as they may then be presented for group resolution; and thereby also, the means to establish a committee (sub-committee in-effect) for that groups activities specifically. To some degree, the considered method to address this, relates to my former experience working at an ISP where the SFOA (standard form of agreement)[2]; basically had, the main part of the document, providing general terms, which was then supplemented by constituencies to the agreement that were produced as part of the product development cycle, for new products/service. in this way; the ability to define terms for new products, did not overtly incur and/or interfere with the terms generally, for the products offered by the ISP. attached is a link to an example of this document, as is otherwise noted[2]. Personally, i think one of the things that could be started on immediately, is to do work on, a. formatting UN Human Rights Instruments based RDF 'ontologies', so that we're then able to make use of them & empower others to do so also. b. forming some resources that seek to provide a framework for discerning the qualities of different types of AI agents. c. improving the underlying works on defining both; online attack vectors (noting some previous work was done on 'online harms'), as well as seeking to evaluate 'digital justice' related requirements, and in-turn also 'safety protocols', which imo; starts with AI employable human rights based instruments, or what i call 'values credentials'.. d. I've been working on natural language 'systems', that somewhat augment the way 'ontologies' function. This work in-turn also led to considerations about how to ensure support for all languages of prayer, which is something that is not able to be achieved otherwise today. Irrespective of whether or not these systems do become part of WIP, the underlying requirement of greater importance is ensuring that systems are equipped with some sort of useful portability / export/import function, as to ensure people do not become trapped in a particular product and/or service. otherwise noting; that i have a list, and i'm actively seeking input from others about what their views and thoughts are. AND THAT; may of my considerations and assumptions are linked with fairly in-depth comprehension of semantic web related ecosystems; and in-turn, early works (and intended applications of) rww (solid), web-payments, credentials/verifiable claims, etc. if people are not aware of how technologies like solid (and/or some of the 'my data' related solutions) function; then, i'd suspect that the basis upon which sense-making is able to be formed, is different. RELATED ISSUES AND RELATED CONSIDERATIONS a. It is presently 12 point font, lots of spacing and may be considered a long document.. i. PROs; the means to produce apparatus, relating to 'human centric' information/knowledge management approaches, is (sadly) an expansive endeavor of a non-trivial nature; that requires illustration of structures that are unlike other systems. These structures are considered to be required in-order to get to the point where Human Centric AI is deliverable. There are also various 'human rights' related considerations that are declaratively noted in the charter, which both require more texts; but may therefore also, provide improved means for resilience should disputes arise in future that need to be considered in the context of human rights related texts and associative deliberations. ii. CONs; its as longer document than would otherwise be sought to be defined. Improvements to the draft should improve the articulation in more succinct means, and/or reduction could be improved by referring to other documents as constituencies and/or meanings; but, this wouldn't actually act to reduce the total amount of terms for the charters entire embodiment... I am actively seeking input... b. The headings and 'flow' of the document could be improved. There may also be opportunities to integrate statements, ie: the registry components are presently in two different areas of the document. c. the creation of this document; considers also, that W3C and in particular therein, W3C CGs have a particular role in the broader Internet Governance ecosystem[3]. Historically (~2016-9) whilst working on related works, i had a view that part of the solution to support various requirements may well be via forming a global Topic Chapter / SIG in ISOC[4]; as to thereby support discussions of a broader - social - nature, and in-turn act to support and be supported by regional ISOC chapters[5]. Whilst conversations are underway, discussing the future of internet governance via the UN GDC[6] works, amongst other places; part of the consideration / deliberation, is that the works undertaken here, could or should, perhaps optimistically, be structured in such a way that is of empowering usefulness, for future scalability and growth. As such, part of the consideration innately sought to be 'built into' this charter, is the way it may in-time be taken-up and employed; and/or, how an broader 'community of practice' may in-turn employ compatible charters, without unnecessary future delays (to the best of our abilities / best efforts, etc.); as may in-turn, be better equipped as a consequence of the works undertaken within this CG... note also; that whilst there is no capacity to support ensuring people are able to be paid fairly for useful work, that may have fairly remarkable consequences upon humanity, noting my previous experience relating to credentials[7]; particularly where people are engaged for the express purpose of seeking to act as an agent for the good of humanity, independently; in a manner that is different, to others who are part of quorum, as representatives of various w3c members[8]; ISOC 'topic chapters' or SIGs are different, as they do require an incorporated entity and may therefore become part of the solution in how we better support the human rights of people engaged in work for the good of humanity. However, this is presently an 'unknown'; nonetheless, seeking to provide some capacity for future positive change in this area, which may in-turn provide support as to inform approaches that may be employed more broadly, is considered - useful... d. Current and future resources. I have obtained a domain name (humancentricai.xyz) as well as establishing a github organisation, to host code. There are also w3c resources[9], including zoom. I have not yet added reference to these methods / systems, noting that I'm still working through it... I've investigated github apps as a potential means to support polls / electronic voting systems; I am also unclear whether and/or how secret ballots may be supported and/or in what circumstances, and need to do more investigations. e. skillsets and accessibility / diversity i. I would also like to get a sense of what methods of engagement people are familiar with; imo, there's great benefits to be gainfully supported; by supporting diversity, and that means that some participants may not be web developers specifically, but rather - luminaries in various fields, many of which don't require a person to know how to use git, or IRC, etc. Additionally, if the group elected to make - perhaps experimentally - some solid based apps / functional stuff; then what might the implications be.. a recent TimBL Video re: solid is, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay7GSLX9tHM Noting also, that the implementation that i've been working on; isn't presently 'solid based', but one of the safety protocols is about ensuring that people can be migrated to some functional alternative (in the event of a problem, etc.), which i think is most-likely solid. AND THAT, i'm not interested in 'owning language' or other basic things people need for freedom of thought / human rights purposes; and that, broadly otherwise, safety protocols are needed ASAP, imo. IMO: it would be good for the communities efforts to get and seek-out wide-ranging inputs, as to help us inform our approach, and in-turn better define what may be considered 'fit for purpose', et.al. ii. IMO, historical works are very focused on producing code / specifications outputs; based upon the requirements for incrementally developing new constituencies for 'the web', etc. There are some big shifts happening, and whilst alot of work has been done - many don't know much about it generally, whether it be about the w3c[10], internet governance[3], the role of patent pools[11] and the related implications associated to W3C[12] as a venue for related works, etc. And those that do understand those sorts of considerations very well, may not be best empowered without input from others; that may be brought about by presentations to groups via online learning sessions or other means, as to support the process of philosophical engineering[13], as does apply to Human Centric AI related requirements; now, sometime on from the time TimBL presented his thoughts on manipulating reality and semantics back in may 1994[14]. Overall, nowtherefore, figuring out how to better support diversity; and in-turn, collaboratively figure out the critical path requirements; is thought to be amongst the sorts of things / objective purposes & Tasks that we could get onto ASAP. Finally also, should the work on the human rights stuff be undertaken, then we may well update the charter once that's done to make use of the work, in a manner that's not unlike the way creative commons[15] now functions. Faithfully, Timothy Holborn LINKS: [1] DRAFT CHARTER DOCUMENT LINK: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ragkWVvqO5xqqYS4XPh2m4dqm8fWjH8vjKtZDzSB_kc/edit?usp=sharing [2] NETSPACE SFOA EXAMPLE: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ia5y3IDemMZ-9y-LlJeSIM85PRabp5zUpMVaJZy3ojc/edit [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_governance [4] https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs/ [5] https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/ [6] https://www.un.org/techenvoy/global-digital-compact [7] https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/2014/08/06/call-for-participation-in-credentials-community-group/ [8] https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List [9] https://www.w3.org/community/about/tool/ [10] https://www.w3.org/Consortium/ [11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_pool [12] https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent/ [13] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/map/main.jpg [14] note, snippet - full clip noted in comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkjyCPuTKPw [15] https://creativecommons.org/ns
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