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Re: Headers Are Confusing in HTML5

From: Martin Janecke <w3.org@prlbr.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:06:16 +0100
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>
Cc: "lwatson@paciellogroup.com" <lwatson@paciellogroup.com>, "info@3zero.co.uk" <info@3zero.co.uk>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <565CC858.60402@prlbr.com>
I agree with Cynthia that the header element is confusing. Right now we have

<> section-specific headers, i.e. those scoped to a section, these don't
have a role mapping
<> website-specific headers, i.e. those scoped to body, these are mapped
to the banner role

Isn't it strange to have these two but no page-specific headers?

Furthermore, as I see it a header scoped to the body that is
page-specific would be conceptually the same as a header scoped to a
section that is section-specific, but a header scoped to the body that
is website specific seems conceptually different to me. Is it good to
have two conceptually different things share the same semantic element name?

I fear that this will continue to be a source of confusion and will lead
to unwanted (?) use of the element (i.e. header scoped to body used for
page-specific content). I have no experience with technology that relies
on role mappings myself, so I only speculate that this could hurt
accessibility.

Regards
Martin

On 30.11.15 19:26, Steve Faulkner wrote:
> 
> On 30 November 2015 at 18:07, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com
> <mailto:cyns@microsoft.com>> wrote:
> 
>     So, then why have it at all? Shouldn't be expose the role when it
>     exists?
> 
> 
> The role mapping only exists when scoped to body, this was discussed,
> implemented and is defined in HTML5,
> Of course we can revisit, but we need to ensure that UA implementers are
> prepared to make changes to current implementations and that any changes
> provide a benefit to end users.
> 
> --
> 
> Regards
> 
> SteveF
> Current Standards Work @W3C
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/>
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