Re: suggestion for tag set <sarcasm> </sarcasm> pair

Hi, I just would like to add, that I have absolutely same experience as Mr.
Korpela.
I think there is no benefit since CSS is epxressive enough.
I do not understand why to make it more complicated.

2014-11-04 9:16 GMT+01:00 Jukka K. Korpela <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>:

>  2014-11-04 9:25, Steve Faulkner wrote:
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> On 4 November 2014 07:07, Jukka K. Korpela <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>
> wrote:
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>> What “semantics” is added for me by whom/what?
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>  role and label for AT users, and visual symbols for other users.
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> They are added by the code you wrote, just like they can be added by an
> author directly to any element.
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>  I am not advocating one method over another, I have provided an example
> of one possible solution,
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> If I understand you correctly, the benefit of your solution, as compared
> with a simple <span class=...> or custom tag solution is that having
> written the general code, you can use just <html5-sarcasm> and have the
> @aria-label and @note attributes implied for it. In styling, there is no
> such benefit, since CSS is expressive enough.
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> This would be a real benefit when <html5-sarcasm> is used several times in
> a document. In principle, it is a benefit even when just two occurrences
> exist, as it avoids duplication of code (though the amount of code is much
> bigger).
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> On the other hand, the code uses JavaScript, and the same result can be
> achieved with rather simple JavaScript code that traverses the document
> tree and sets some attributes to all <sarcasm> elements.
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> (I’m not sure whether role=note is an adequate example here. It indicates
> “A section whose content is parenthetic or ancillary to the main content of
> the resource.” I don’t think that’s accurate for a sarcastic remark in
> general, and I don’t see what it would benefit. Regarding @aria-label, as
> far as I can see, it is mainly intended for text that acts a label for a
> control-like element that otherwise lacks a textual label. The @title
> attribute is more widely supported, but using it is somewhat illogical too.
> And if you really want that everyone surely gets the idea that a remark is
> sarcastic, you should precede it with “Sarcasm:” in the real—not
> generated—content, or maybe follow it with “(The preceding remark was
> sarcastic.)”.)
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>   you have provided in a round about way another solution, suggest it
> would be helpful if you write up your solution in a form that can easily be
> used by others.
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> The solution of just using custom tags (and the document.createElement
> backup) is probably described on many pages. The idea of using JavaScript
> to add attributes just popped into my mind, but quite possibly it is
> described somewhere, too, and I’m not convinced of its general usefulness.
> The idea of adding the @custom attribute could be written in the form of an
> extension proposal, but the question is whether it would have sufficient
> support and what group should work on it.
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