- From: Predrag Stojadinovic <predrags@nvidia.com>
- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:04:45 +0100
- To: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, Adrian Roselli <Roselli@algonquinstudios.com>, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, Travis Leithead <travis.leithead@microsoft.com>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
Charles, we can mark your following statements as additional common points of agreement: "Many people argue that there are only 3 or 4 browsers you need to test in, but this is patently untrue." - I completely agree. "...browsers can afford to blow off most developers, whereas most developers cannot afford to blow off most browsers." - I completely agree. "Their judgement is that it is easier for developers to test in multiple browsers than for browsers to patch all the sites that get this wrong." - I completely agree. I would even go as far as to say that as long as the browser does not have a bug, it is not their responsibility to fix a bad site. "The rapid evolution of browsers brings benefits to the Web, but it obviously doesn't come with no cost to anyone." - I completely agree. "But then, problems for users are only caused by a few players - bad browsers, bad developers, bad infrastructure, bad hardware." - I completely agree. "Of those, bad developers are far the most numerous" - I will agree here as well. "Adapting our many services to all the browsers used is expensive work, and we'd love to reduce that cost." - I completely agree. "On this we have a serious disagreement. It is unclear to me what sort of argument would convince a software manufacturer to allow their software to be used in such a way that it puts their business at risk." - see, but this is where I do not understand the risk that is continuously mentioned? Maybe it is because I disagree with the statement that browser are or should be blamed for developers mistakes? From my personal experience this is anything but the case. I always get blamed and more so when something does not work in users preferred browser. Even when it is clearly and unavoidably the case that the problem is caused by the bug in the browser or when the browser is so old that it simply cannot handle the required features, it is still my fault in the eyes of the user. I was unable to convince my best friend to just upgrade from IE5 when already IE8 was out... he simply claimed that IE5 works in all other sites he uses, so why can't I get my site to work with it too... I just don’t see users blaming browsers... maybe that’s the problem. NVIDIA GmbH, Wuerselen, Germany, Amtsgericht Aachen, HRB 8361 Managing Director: Karen Theresa Burns ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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