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Re: is it necessary to disambiguate (using markup) inline notes,citations and original markup? [was] use of <mark> to denote notes in quoted text

From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 19:50:23 +0200
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20130908195023309567.4f67f93b@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Steve Faulkner, Sun, 8 Sep 2013 17:16:06 +0100:
>> here the content of the element stems from and thus that
>> there should be a *explicit* way for markup up that the content does
>> not stem from the original quote. Since is is very common to edit
>> quotes, such a thing ought to be quite useful.
> OK, so you think we do need a markup method rather than just accepted
> conventions such as []
> but really it is only needed in the case where the original quote contains
> notes no?

Yes, notes, including <cite> and <footer> - which - is my idea - would 
have to be place inside a <note> element in order to be conforming (or 
at least: may be it should be conforming to not place it in <note>, but 
only <note> would reliably separate it from the original text). The 
<note> element should be possible to use multiple times within the same 
quote, and it should have content model similar to <ins> and <del> 
(namely, either inline or block, depending on how one uses it). 

> if <note> was added (for example) how would you disambiguate a <note>
> element added by an author vs one in the original source quote?

I would assume that <note> would only be permitted/conforming when used 
inside <blockquote> and <q>. Thus, unless the author is quoting another 
quotation (or unless the author is quoting a non-conforming use of 
<note>), the problem would arise only quite seldom.

But whenever someone was quoting another quote, the spec could 
recommend to duplicate the <blockquote>:

   <blockquote cite="http://example.com/thatPage" >
      <blockuote cite="http://original-src.example.com">
         Lorem ipsum.
         <note>His comment</note>
      <note>My comment</note>

If that isn’t good enough, then one could e.g. add an optional @cite 
attribute to the <note> element. E.g. imagine that the following 
stemmed from a page at http://example.com/thispage, then one could do 

   <blockquote cite="http://example.com/thatPage" >
      <blockuote cite="http://original-src.example.com">
         Lorem ipsum.
         <note cite="http://example.com/thatPage">His comment</note>
      <note cite="http://example.com/thisPage">My comment</note>

Or, instead of @cite, one could, instead or in addition, add the 
@datetime attribute:

   <blockquote cite="http://example.com/thatPage" >
      <blockuote cite="http://original-src.example.com">
         Lorem ipsum.
         <note datetiem="olderDate">His comment</note>
      <note datetime="newerDate">My comment</note>
leif halvard silli
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