Re: HTML Ruby extensions

Do you plan to apply these changes to 5.0?


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Robin Berjon <robin@w3.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am about to send an email to public-html-admin requesting publication
> for an extension specification covering HTML Ruby, but that's just the
> administrativia and I wanted to prod this crowd here for feedback.
>
> The draft snapshot is at:
>
>     http://darobin.github.io/html-**ruby/snapshots/FPWD.html<http://darobin.github.io/html-ruby/snapshots/FPWD.html>
>
> The editor's draft:
>
>     http://darobin.github.io/html-**ruby/<http://darobin.github.io/html-ruby/>
>
> The extension spec addresses the following bugs:
>
>     https://www.w3.org/Bugs/**Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20115<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20115>
>     https://www.w3.org/Bugs/**Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20114<https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20114>
>     https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_**public/show_bug.cgi?id=19255<https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_public/show_bug.cgi?id=19255>
>     https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_**public/show_bug.cgi?id=19254<https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_public/show_bug.cgi?id=19254>
>     https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_**public/show_bug.cgi?id=19253<https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_public/show_bug.cgi?id=19253>
>     https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_**public/show_bug.cgi?id=19252<https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_public/show_bug.cgi?id=19252>
>     https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_**public/show_bug.cgi?id=19251<https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_public/show_bug.cgi?id=19251>
>
> In general, it addresses the use cases carefully gathered and developed
> over time by our friends in the I18N group:
>
>     http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby-use-**cases/<http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby-use-cases/>
>
> More specifically, it changes the current HTML specification in the
> following ways:
>
>     • Removes nested <ruby> elements as a way of capturing double-sided
> ruby. As far as I can tell this is not implemented and not a single
> instance shows up in the corpora I've been able to access. An <rtc> element
> is introduced instead, which has a cleaner and more extensible model
>     • Introduces an <rb> element for explicit ruby base text. This
> corresponds to actual usage in the wild where the <rb> element is
> relatively common. It also makes some use cases simpler to address.
>     • The algorithm to process ruby has been entirely overhauled. The
> existing one is buggy, and does not process white space in a satisfactory
> manner for non-CJK languages.
>
> Overall, since alignment with CSS is particularly important in this case,
> I also worked closely with Fantasai in order to align well with the new CSS
> Ruby model:
>
>     http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-**ruby/<http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ruby/>
>
> The goal for this extension specification is to be reviewed on its own,
> but to eventually become integrated into the HTML specification. How much
> of it gets integrated and when largely depends on implementations. If
> implementations support this inside of the CR period, then all of it will
> simply be folded into HTML. If however the newer features are not yet
> supported well enough, a "viable subset" will get folded in. That viable
> subset will be primarily comprised of existing elements as processed by the
> new algorithm.
>
> As a final note, those of you who are interested in such things may be
> interested to see that I am requesting publication of this document under
> the new dual CC-BY/W3C license. But more about that in my coming email to
> the -admin list.
>
> Your feedback is very much welcome!
>
> --
> Robin Berjon - http://berjon.com/ - @robinberjon
>
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