- From: Bruce Lawson <brucel@opera.com>
- Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:51:03 -0000
- To: public-html@w3.org
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:21:38 -0000, Michael[tm] Smith <mike@w3.org> wrote:
> Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, 2013-01-24 09:44 +0000:
>
>> I think the current definition [4] of the figure element leads to
>> developers thinking that they cannot use it to caption an image or
>> images
>> that are ket parts of the content:
>>
>> "The element can thus be used to annotate illustrations, diagrams,
>> photos,
>> code listings, etc, that are referred to from the main content of the
>> document, but that could, without affecting the flow of the document, be
>> moved away from that primary content, e.g. to the side of the page, to
>> dedicated pages, or to an appendix."
>
> I agree that statement seems to be confusing people, and so maybe some
> language should be added around there to make it more clear that the
> figure
> element is not necessarily restricted to being used only for the purpose
> described there.
I agree. Perhaps changing ""The element can thus be used to annotate
illustrations .. " to "The element may also be used .." thereby
emphasising that it's a different use ("also").
Mike Smith said:
> to anybody who's
> taken time to get familiar with the editorial style the spec consistently
> uses, it would be clear that sentence states no normative requirements.
>
> For context about what I mean, it's worth also quoting what the spec says
> just before that statement you quote above. What it says is:
>
> The figure element represents some flow content, optionally with a
> caption, that is self-contained and is typically referenced as a single
> unit from the main flow of the document.
>
> As far as I can see, that sentence is the only statement in the spec that
> normatively defines the meaning of the figure element.
[snip]
> The spec very consistently uses a particular style to clearly distinguish
> between parts that are normative and parts that are just informative or
> illustrative.
I'm not convinced that it's at all clear. It currently hangs on
understanding the word "can" in "can thus.." means possibility rather than
requirement, and a deeper familiarity with the style of the spec than most
web developers can be expected to have.
I suggest that normative statements be visually stronger, and sylistically
differentiated from non-normative glosses. Perhaps if the normative
statement "The figure element represents some flow content, optionally
with a caption, that is self-contained and is typically referenced as a
single unit from the main flow of the document." were surrounded by
<strong>, in a div class="normative" that is styled to be surrounded by a
box, it would indicate its importance more?
bruce
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Bruce Lawson
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Opera
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