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Re: Update to ARIA processing change proposal ISSUE-199

From: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:14:45 -0400
Message-ID: <4FEA2645.7080007@w3.org>
To: Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>
CC: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Thanks for your feedback. My comments are inline below. In summary, I
think we've agreed on the basic proposal and are at the stage of
"dotting i's and crossing t's".

Edward O'Connor wrote:
> Hi,
> Michael Cooper wrote:
>> I have updated the ISSUE-199 Change Proposal on ARIA processing,
>> following guidance from the 3 May 2012 discussion and incorporating
>> much of Ted O'Connor's counter proposal. I believe this version
>> covers the agreement of that meeting. Some details of HTML-style spec
>> language may need to be tweaked.
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ARIA_Processing
> This revised proposal is definitely much closer to something that I
> think we could find consensus on. Some notes:
> There's no rationale provided for the changes proposed in the section
> titled "Clarify the existing ARIA section." As the change appears
> entirely editorial, I'd rather we leave it out of a consensus proposal.
Hmm... I agree this is editorial, but I do think it makes the section
easier to process. If it's not blocking consensus (which I don't know
that it is), I'd rather leave it in. I'm not sure how to express an
explicit rationale, other than "people seemed to be misreading the
relationship of the parts of the section and adding these headers help
to distinguish them better".
> The text of the "Role attribute" section closely matches the text of
> my proposal. There are two differences:
> 1. The proposed spec section is titled "Role Attribute," whereas in my
> proposal it's titled "The ARIA role attribute." Because of the
> historical origins of the name of WAI-ARIA's role="" attribute in the
> XHTML Role Attribute Module, I think it's helpful to consistently
> refer to the attribute in spec text as "the ARIA role attribute" to
> avoid the implication that the attribute is intended as a generalized
> vehicle with which to imbue elements with additional semantics.
I can see the point of this argument, that it could be read as
incorporating by reference features of the Role Attribute that HTML has
explicitly declined. I do I think it is misleading to call the section
"ARIA role attribute", since it is not defined in ARIA, but I don't feel
strongly enough about the issue to push back on this. So to be formal,
I'll accept this edit.
> 2. The "split on spaces" paragraph isn't marked as an implementor-only
> section. It probably should be, but I doubt this is an area of
> intentional disagreement.
I didn't attempt to include certain flags the editor might include,
since I don't know what they are or how best to include them in a change
proposal in the wiki. I am happy to have the change proposal expressing
this in whatever manner is appropriate. In other words, I accept this edit.
> In terms of normative statements, I have no objection to the text in
> the section titled "State and Property Attributes." That said, I find
> this text hard to understand, so I would prefer a consensus proposal
> describe the normative requirements and defer to the editor for the
> precise wordsmithing.
I'd be ok with the editor taking a stab at wordsmithing this, but only
if there is a check-back phase to make sure substantive changes aren't
unintentionally introduced. Alternatively, somebody else could clean
this up before we call for consensus. I have tried several times to come
up with wording for this section, and don't believe I would be able to
make further improvements that you will consider better. I think if
we're agreed on the substance, the wording that others feel better
represents it is better proposed by those people - yourself, or somebody
else who feels they have a handle on it.
> Thanks,
> Ted

Michael Cooper
Web Accessibility Specialist
World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
E-mail cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>
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Received on Tuesday, 26 June 2012 21:15:52 UTC

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