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Re: CfC: Publish ten heartbeat drafts as WDs

From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:36:18 -0500
Message-ID: <4F4CD852.6090501@intertwingly.net>
To: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
CC: public-html@w3.org
On 02/28/2012 07:53 AM, Laura Carlson wrote:
>> You are asking that ISSUE-30 be re-resolved before Jonas and/or Matthew have
>> completed their proposal(s).
> No, Sam I am not. I am asking for ISSUE-30 to be resolved before
> publishing yet another draft. If also you want to resolved other
> issues prior to publishing another draft that is your prerogative.

Jonas's proposal was originally against ISSUE-30.  We identified 
significant problems with the original proposal, and Jonas has indicated 
that he intends to address them.

>> Can you explain the importance of what might very well be a temporary
>> resolution of this issue would be?
> It would not be temporary if you resolve 204 first.

Should Jonas submit a proposal for 204, would anybody here appreciate an 
opportunity to submit a counter proposal?

> The importance of all of this is that longer longdesc is obsolete, the
> more people will not use it or stop using it. It discourages and
> deters uptake. I have  collected a non-negligible number of examples
> [1] that utilize longdesc in meaningful ways. However, delay is eating
> way evidence. I have to remove examples weekly. People read that
> longdesc is obsolete...so why use it?
> For instance, a page on about.com says, "The LONGDESC attribute allows
> you to put a URL to a longer description of the image. This attribute
> is obsolete in HTML5. You should use a normal A tag to link to a
> longer description instead. This attribute is valid HTML4, and is not
> deprecated in that version."  [2]  Jennifer Kyrnin has been contacted
> numerous times (starting last June) informing her that longdesc is
> currently an open issue in the W3C HTML5 Working Group and  a change
> proposal has been written, which the HTML5 Accessibility Task Force
> supports. It would make longdesc conforming. She has been asked if she
> could please update the text on her page to say that longdesc in HTML5
> is currently an open issue. She said she would but never has. The text
> remains.

Do you have evidence that she will updated it based on the publishing of 
a heartbeat draft?  Again, I will point out that no matter what a 
heartbeat draft might say, the issue will remain open until everybody 
has an an adequate opportunity to make their case and provide their 

I will note that heartbeat documents prior to Last Call had issue 
markers.  Would that suffice?

> Every beat of HTML5's heart without longdesc, suffocates longdesc more.
> Best Regards,
> Laura
> [1] http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/research/ld.html#wild
> [2]
> http://webdesign.about.com/od/beginningtutorials/a/image_tag_img.htm

- Sam Ruby
Received on Tuesday, 28 February 2012 13:36:54 UTC

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