- From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:57:11 +0000
- To: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>
- Cc: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, public-html@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CA+ri+V=F5M64Qk6ZF7MgyaH8vh6ZpcocWGaXB30p6PSCQ2d3Dw@mail.gmail.com>
not wanting to get into the process argument, but wanting to clarify the technical. >From my reading of the ARIA spec access to hidden content only relates to text strings for accessible name calculation: Skip hidden <terms#def_hidden> elements unless the author specifies to use > them via an aria-labelledby or aria-describedby being used in the current > computation. By default, users of assistive technologies <terms#def_at>won't receive the hidden information, but an author will be able to > explicitly override that and include the hidden text alternative as part of > the label string sent to the accessibility API<terms#def_accessibility_api> > . > http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#namecalculation regards stevef On 13 February 2012 13:28, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis < bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Laura Carlson > <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 10, 2012, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > > > >> I think that the key consideration for the Working Group should be to > >> ensure that every issue and every proposal gets fair consideration. > >> This needs to take priority over considerations of which proposal > >> benefits. > > > > Fair consideration does not allow one proposal to benefit over another. > > > >> It seems to me that your argument is purely based on giving a tactical > >> advantage to the "Instate Longdesc" Change Proposal, not on making > >> sure that *all* proposals get a fair hearing, > > > > That is completely backward. My argument is based on the fact that > > Jonas stated on this list [1] in no uncertain terms that it would make > > his proposal to obsolete longdesc stronger if his proposal was decided > > first. Allowing that does not make for a fair hearing. > > The result is more important than the process. > > As far as I can tell, we need to address the conflict between what the > ARIA documents are saying and what our HTML documents are saying. > > We have at least one WG member (Jonas) who would address the > conformance of @longdesc differently depending on our resolution of > that conflict. > > Do we have any WG members who would address the conflict between ARIA > and HTML differently if @longdesc were conforming rather than > obsolete? Can they articulate how and why? If so, then the issues > cannot be logically decoupled. Otherwise, it makes sense to make the > resolution of @longdesc depend on the resolution of the conflict > between ARIA and HTML to avoid revisiting the issue once that conflict > is resolved. > > Not resolving the conflict may make it hard for WG members to evaluate > any of the @longdesc proposals because of the confusion about their > statements about ARIA. > > In particular: > > > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/InstateLongdesc/AlternativesAreNotViableSolutions#aria-describedby > > is now radically out of step with what the ARIA documents actually say. > > -- > Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis > > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com | www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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