- From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 05:30:02 -0400
- To: Charles Pritchard <chuck@jumis.com>
- CC: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, Frank Olivier <Frank.Olivier@microsoft.com>, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
On 08/25/2012 03:41 AM, Charles Pritchard wrote: > On 8/22/2012 10:11 AM, Charles Pritchard wrote: >> On 8/22/2012 9:54 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>> On 08/22/2012 12:23 PM, Charles Pritchard wrote: >>>> On 8/22/2012 6:07 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>>>> On 08/02/2012 04:06 PM, Steve Faulkner wrote: >>>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>>> >>>>>> In regards to the text in question I am prepared to withdraw my >>>>>> change >>>>>> proposal in favour of Teds. >>>>> >>>>> This leaves only one active Change Proposal on this issue: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=User:Eoconnor/ISSUE-201&oldid=13386 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At the current time, the chairs are issuing a call for consensus on >>>>> this proposal. If anybody would like to raise an objection during >>>>> this time, we will require them to accompany their objection with a >>>>> concrete and complete change proposal. > .... >>>>> >>>>> If no objections are raised to this call by August 30th, 2012, we will >>>>> direct the editors to make the proposed change, and will only consider >>>> >>>> The "Eoconnor" CP is a vast departure from the spec as it existed prior >>>> and as it is implemented. >>>> I don't believe one week is enough time to complete and submit a >>>> concrete counter-proposal. >>> >>> The chairs are not likely to grant an unbounded request for >>> additional time. >> >> >> Please extend the deadline to Sept 7th. > > I've not heard back on my request for an extension. By your own link, you have been aware of this issue for many months, and have yet to make a proposal. To date, the feedback we have been gathering does not support granting this request. > While I believe we have the pieces of an "amicable" resolution to > ISSUE-201, we have some significant issues with the active CP referenced > here. There are over a dozen changes being introduced in the Eoconnor > CP, most of them are irrelevant or unnecessary to solving ISSUE-201. For > instance, as a "positive effect" the author lists "Authors can easily > draw dashed lines and ellipses". Further, instead of composing an actual > proposal, the author simply blankets a reinstatement of eight major > patches to the Canvas specification. > > I'd wager that not even Eoconnor knows what the actual, concrete, result > of his proposal would be. That's a problem. > The original author of those changes introduced them not under the > context of ISSUE-201, but with the following statement: "I just added a > bunch of things to the <canvas> 2D API". > > I will submit a CP addressing ISSUE-201 directly. I will also submit > follow-ups to the other proposals put forward in the Eoconnor document: > I do not believe they are relevant to solving ISSUE-201, but they are > clearly relevant to the author of the CP, and to the chairs, as the > chairs have stated that [new] editors will be directed to apply the > changes without further vetting. > > ---- > > From a retrospective: We worked for several years to gain a consensus > amongst vendors and editors about ISSUE-201. For most of that time, much > of the group was against supporting canvas hit regions. With hundreds of > hours of work, we now have an atmosphere where the majority of the group > agrees that canvas hit regions should be supported. That is the big win, > and we have it. We also were able to establish that the baseline > information of the current font should be exposed to authors. > > Here I am, in 2010, requesting access to baseline information: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2010Jul/0148.html > > The amount of push-back I received from that message was absolutely > astounding. We are now in a place where it's universally accepted that > the descent metric should be available. > > My point is, we made a lot of progress in changing minds. There is > universal agreement that ISSUE-201 should be resolved with a method > which takes the current path, and accepts an element as a single > argument, that pointer events should forward and that the region > information of that element should match the bounds of the path > specified. We have universal agreement that the vertical offset > resulting from setting textBaseline should be exposed to authors. > > That's what we needed to resolve ISSUE-201, it took years to get it, and > we have it now. I appreciate that the chairs want these issues resolved. > We're doing that, and we have a more appropriate atmosphere to finish > the work and complete this version of Canvas 2D. As you indicate above, a lot of great progress has been made. Upsetting the apple cart at the last minute with no proposal in hand seems broken. I would not be optimistic about an extension being granted. As an example, and given what I have seen so far, I don't support it. > -Charles - Sam Ruby
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