- From: Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu>
- Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:51:24 -0800
- To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Cc: public-html@w3.org
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 09:56, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote: > On 11/10/2011 12:07 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: >> >> I see three issues >> which are semi-related but can be semi-independently addressed. >> >> 1. Reintroduction of the enhanced time element. Use-cases/needs have >> been demonstrated for an enhanced time element and thus we should add >> it. >> http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/time_element >> >> 2. Introduction of the data element. There are enough use-cases of the >> general class of human vs. machine data publishing that justify a >> simple data element for use with microformats, microdata, RDFa. >> http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/data_element >> >> 3. Drop pubdate attribute. The pubdate attribute is a vestigial piece >> of markup left-over from the attempt to provide automatic HTML5 to >> Atom conversion, and in practice is either not used, or typically used >> in conjunction with the hAtom microformat which doesn't supersets its >> functionality. >> >> Sam, your guidance as to how best document/progress these three issues >> is appreciated. > > The split seems fine with me. Your use of tenses is inconsistent, you talk > about reintroduction of time, the introduction of data, and dropping > pubdate; the baseline should be the document as it exists after the revert > request is applied, so the first issue should talk about changes to the time > element that will lead to greater consensus. > > Your characterizations as to whether the use cases are sufficient or not > should go into the proposals themselves, these are not conclusions that the > working group has yet reached. Guidance appreciated. Here is an iteration of the above issues based on your suggested improvements: 1. Enhance and simplify the time element. A change proposal to enhance and simplify the time element based on use-cases and needs documented to date: http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/time_element 2. Add a data element. A change proposal to introduce a simple data element for use with microformats, microdata, RDFa based on use-cases of the general class of human vs. machine data publishing: http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/data_element 3. Drop the pubdate attribute. A change proposal to drop the pubdate attribute as part of completing the removal of the Atom conversion algorithm which itself hasn't been a part of the W3C HTML5 specification for over a year: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jun/0000.html http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/drop_pubdate > At the F2F there was a strong objection to the time element, but > subsequently the person who objected seems to have reconsidered. That's good to hear. > There are a number of objections to the data element (objections spotted so > far: spec text favoring Microdata over RDFa Agreed with that issue, and I've updated the data_element change proposal accordingly to show multiple examples without preferring a microformats/microdata/RDFa syntax, and with preferring openly developed vocabularies/URLs. > and questioning the need to add > an element that has zero semantics and complete overlap with the span > element). I've noted some reasons for preferring a new element over a new global attribute or enhancing the span element. > If possible, consider addressing these objections in the Change > Proposal and trying to see if we can find consensus. Thanks, I believe I've done so. > I have yet to hear any objections to dropping the pubdate attribute. If > there is a proposal to do so, and we don't receive any counter proposals, we > can issue a call for consensus on this matter. I've now written up a change proposal for that issue/portion as well: http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/drop_pubdate Thanks, Tantek -- http://tantek.com/ - I made an HTML5 tutorial! http://tantek.com/html5
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