- From: Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>
- Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 12:52:10 +0800
- To: "Ian Hickson" <ian@hixie.ch>, "Philippe Le Hegaret" <plh@w3.org>, "Geoff Freed" <geoff_freed@wgbh.org>
- Cc: "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>, "John Foliot" <jfoliot@stanford.edu>
As a member of the accessibility task force I'm a bit surprised to learn that we're still formulating requirements for captions. Who is working on this, have I completely missed something on the mailing list and when is it scheduled to be put forward to the HTML WG? About WebSRT, I agree that it's final home should perhaps not be in HTML5, but expect that when we get around to implementing <track> we will support WebSRT in both test and final implementations. Unless <track> explicitly forbids supporting some specific formats, I can't see a strong reason to do otherwise. This is not the official position of Opera Software (it has none), just mine. Philip On Fri, 07 May 2010 00:32:31 +0800, Geoff Freed <geoff_freed@wgbh.org> wrote: > > Hi, Ian: > > I'm quite concerned that WebSRT has been inserted into the HTML5 > editor's draft (http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/video.html#websrt ) when it > hasn't been discussed in the accessibility sub-group. There isn't any > evidence, nor has there been any consensus as far as I know, that this > format is appropriate or fulfills any requirements for captions or > subtitles- requirements which are now being formulated by the group but > are not yet final. My immediate opinion is that the introduction of > WebSRT in this manner will only cause confusion: readers may take its > inclusion as an indicator that this format has W3C endorsement and is on > an approval track, and therefore can be used in test implementations. > In a field that is already overrun with timed-text formats, this will > only serve to confuse the situation further. In fact, it could be very > difficult to reverse later. In the interest of not displacing or > damaging the work being done by the accessibility sub-group, I think it > would be best to remove all references to WebSRT from HTML5 > documentation at this time. > > Geoff Freed > WGBH/NCAM > > > > > On 5/5/10 5:10 PM, "Ian Hickson" <ian@hixie.ch> wrote: > > On Wed, 5 May 2010, Philippe Le Hegaret wrote: >> >> while I appreciate your enthusiasm and time that you're spending on this >> issue, I'm surprised to see that you're incorporating a new captioning >> format in the HTML5 specification without discussing about it. > > We've been discussing this for close to a year now. > > >> imho, the HTML5 specification shouldn't attempt to define a new >> captioning for video: >> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/video.html#websrt > > It's not a new format; it's the format used by SubRip, with minor > extensions to handle features that were found to be needed during > research (such as vertical text, ruby, and karaoke). > > -- > Ian Hickson U+1047E )\._.,--....,'``. fL > http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. > Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' > > -- Philip Jägenstedt Core Developer Opera Software
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