- From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:30:23 +0200
- To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- CC: Lachlan Hunt <lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
On 14.04.2010 21:54, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Lachlan Hunt wrote: >> On 2010-04-13 20:11, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> A more realistic example would use fallback text with instructions about >>> where to actually get the plugin. >>> >>> Such as: >>> >>> <object type="application/vnd.o3d.auto"> >>> <param name="o3d_features" value="FloatingPointTextures"> >>> This page requires the use of the FOOBAR O3D plugin. Get it >>> from the<a href="...">FOOBAR O3D Download Page</a>. >>> </object> >> >> I don't agree with the content of this proposed change because it >> encourages the kind of useless fallback content that should be >> discouraged. The ideal fallback should instead provide some kind of >> alternative content, or at least a link to some sort of substitute for >> the missing content. Including the advice to obtain the plugin in >> addition to that would be acceptable, but consider how useless such >> advice would be on its own, on most devices other than desktop >> computers, like mobile phones, set top boxes, TVs, etc. > > Exactly. The text proposed above is exactly the same as the text in the > spec now, except it's less honest about it. "Honesty" really is totally irrelevant here. We are giving an example for fallback content. This is not the place to promote a "plugins are bad" point of view. You're free to argue this point, but the HTML5 spec is not the place for it. A typical example for fallback content in <object> *are* instructions where to obtain the plugin. The text we currently have, on the other hand: This page requires the use of a proprietary technology. Since you have not installed the software product required to view this page, you should try visiting another site that instead uses open vendor-neutral technologies. definitively is not typical (*) -- why would an author of a web page *ever* want to refer people to competing offerings? Best regards, Julian (*) If you disagree, how about providing a real-world example?
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