- From: Robert Sayre <rsayre@mozilla.com>
- Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:12:21 -0700
- To: Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>,HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <rxwubpbbt1ana9hq4j31ac4q.1243289542558@email.android.com>
I don't think revisiting these will be productive. I favor moving forward and publishing over the few objectors. Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com> wrote: >A lot of the discussion of the "Design Principles" seem >to be rehashing past history of who did or didn't >use which Design Principle. > >I don't think that's too useful. As a "historical artifact", >we can publish a document with sufficient disclaimer >that we can at least let some people know what some >people tried to use as principles some time, and leave >it at that. Refining it further NOW doesn't help produce >a better "historical artifact": after all, documenting >the past can't be accomplished by rewriting history. > >If, on the other hand, there's a desire to publish >the Design Principles because doing so is USEFUL, >we should ask: > ># How do we imagine the Design Principles being used? > >One very common reason why standards groups publish >"Design Principles" documents and "requirements" >documents and "goals" documents, is that such documents >are provided to the community as benchmarks against >which we expect review of the target document to >be judged. > >So, we could work toward publishing a "Design Principles" >document against which we expect community review: >do these principles apply, NOW, to the document that >we are asking the community to review? > >Can we document our goals -- even if they are >incomplete, inconsistent, not entirely agreed upon -- >in a way that will be useful to reviewers in the >review process? > >If that's the goal, then we should stop talking about >the "Design Principles" in the past tense -- what were >they, whether they were applied during arguments, etc. -- >and instead focus on the present and future. > >Going forward, starting today, what Design Principles >do we want from the HTML 5 specification? And does >the specification we have match those design goals? > >I think, for such a document to be useful, it would help >to combine it with much of the material now contained >in Section 1 of the HTML 5 specification -- which lists >many but not all of the goals that the group or the >editor or authors wish. > >I will add that I don't think agreement on design goals >is completely NECESSARY. It is always the case that >different groups in a standards process may disagree >about goals, or at least about priorities, and the >standards process is one of discovering compromises >that allow win-win: that all sides accomplish enough >of their goals to be satisfied, even if goals don't >agree. > >Finding a common technical solution to disparate goals >is the heart of standards work. > >So let's not hold up publishing a useful document because >there is not 100% agreement on Design Principles. >If there are or were differences, document them, note >the differences, ask the reviewer/reader to determine >if the result was reasonable, accomplished multiple >disparate goals in a fair manner, and move on. > >Larry >-- >http://larry.masinter.net
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