- From: Steve Axthelm <steveax@pobox.com>
- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:55:03 -0700
- To: Simon Pieters <simonp@opera.com>
- cc: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
On 2009-06-23 Simon Pieters <simonp@opera.com> wrote: >On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:50:00 +0200, Steve Axthelm <steveax@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>I disagree. Rolling summary into caption reduces options for >>both page authors and for users of AT. > >It doesn't seem like a great loss to me, but I might be wrong. > > >>As a developer, perhaps a developer who knows the preferences >>of users of AT that frequent my site, > >Seems like a pretty uncommon event... You might be surprised. >>having summary separate from caption gives me flexibility in >>the way I present information about tables. > >How would you use this flexibility? As John Foliot noted earlier today [1], visual designers often object to information targeted at AT (viz: making focus invisible). Summary currently is not visible to non-AT users. As a developer that cares about accessibility, but does not get final say for page content or look (which I suspect is pretty common, at least the final say part), I can add summary and help my users out without waging a fight that I will almost certainly lose. Yes, css trickery could do _some_ of this (see below), but why? >>I would submit that AT users also benefit from having them >>separate as it affords them more granularity in user settings. > >What settings? Screen readers are amazingly deep applications that allow for much customization. Window Eyes for instance has verbosity settings for table elements & attributes that includes summary [2]. I had thought that Jaws did as well, but a quick poke into the configuration manager [3] didn't turn the summary attribute up (I'm far from an expert user so I certainly could have missed it.) Perhaps that dialog will give you an idea of the level of customization possible though. Regards, -Steve [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jun/0633.html [2] https://gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/Manual/HTML/index.html?19_14tables.htm [3] http://pangram.org/w3/jfw10-config.png
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