- From: Leif Halvard Silli <lhs@malform.no>
- Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:00:26 +0200
- To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
- CC: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Maciej Stachowiak On 09-06-02 23.54: > On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: >> 1. == Where did the Design Principles document come from? == >> >> Many of the core ideas in the Design Principles date back to the 2004 >> W3C Workshop on Web Applications and Compound Documents[2] and the >> schism that arose there. The W3C decided that the future of the Web >> was a new Webbased on XML + XHTML + SMIL + SVG + XForms + CDF. Some >> dissenters, chiefly but not exclusively browser vendors, felt that the >> right path forward was incremental evolution on top of HTML + CSS + JS >> + DOM. This was based on concerns over continuity, compatibility and >> so forth. Some of the dissenters formed the WHATWG to carry on its >> vision. >> >> While HTML5 (under the name "Web Apps 1.0" and "Web Forms 2.0") was >> under development in the WHATWG, the principles guiding its design >> were not explicitly called out or referred to. The main participants >> tended to share values, and the unofficial nature of the organization >> tended to attract those who were mostly like-minded. >> >> In 2007, the W3C decided to return to work on HTML. The HTML Working >> Group was formed. In the early days, there was much bickering over >> basics. Clearly there was a lack of common vision and shared >> understanding between groups. Since WHATWG brought a fairly advanced >> proposal to the table, some of us who'd followed WHATWG goings-on more >> closely felt that it would be good to explicitly write down what we >> thought were the guiding principles, the better to communicate in >> these early discussions. The first version of the document was started >> on the Wiki by me, but had contributions from many others. >> >> In early 2007, I suggested that the Design Principles be adopted by >> the group, and noted that some others thought they should be published >> as a W3C Note.[3] This resulted in two surveys, one to assess the >> level of agreement[5] and one on publishing as a Working Draft[4]. >> These surveys found support for publishing and also widespread (though >> not universal) support for the individual principles. >> >> This is part of the reason the front matter is worded as it is. There >> was > 90% agreement on the substance of almost every principle, so it >> seemed like a fairly strong statement of agreement was appropriate. [...] > Ian and Anne both suggested that I should add most of this justification > to the Design Principles document itself. I will likely replace the > current abstract and introduction with something based on this email. I > suggest that those with an interest in the Design Principles should > voice their objections to this plan. I object. If you want to document how onesided and rooted in the WHATwg reality - aka "invented there" - the principles you have been authoring are, then please go on. I would suggest to have _less_ introduction than in the 2007 version. As little as possible. -- leif halvard silli
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