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Re: Why Design Principles?

From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:22:28 -0700
Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-id: <EA576A9A-69BB-4C68-A478-79AE083E0178@apple.com>
To: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>

On Jun 2, 2009, at 1:57 AM, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:39:27 +0200, Maciej Stachowiak  
> <mjs@apple.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 2, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
>>> I think there is a difference between "people are generally ok  
>>> with publishing the thing as a *working draft*" and "Almost nobody  
>>> has any substantive objections".
>> Charles, I linked two surveys in my original email.
>> One was about publishing as a working draft: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/wdhdp/
>> One was to gauge agreement or disagreement with individual  
>> principles: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/dprv/results
>> I think your summary correctly characterizes only one of those  
>> surveys. The other showed widespread agreement with the substance  
>> of the individual principles, not just with publishing.
> Yes, some time ago. I think that the practice in the meantime has  
> shown that the agreement is not as widespread as we thought.

I haven't seen any supporters recant their views. If you think WG  
opinion has dramatically changed, then we can certainly put it to  
another survey. I just wanted to correct what you said about the  
results of the original surveys.

>>> By focusing on on building consensus around the things that  
>>> actually matter, and not distracting ourselves with documents  
>>> whose usefulness is questioned by some and acknowledged as  
>>> ultimately limited by others?
>> Did you read my longer email which explains why the Design  
>> Principles are useful and valuable, even to those who may not  
>> believe in them?
> Yes. And while I believe that your assessment in that email is  
> pretty reasonable, it doesn't convince me that we should continue to  
> spend time on this document.

OK. Since we don't seem to have consensus to stop, and at least a  
couple of people would like me to continue, I intend to do keep  
revising the document as appropriate. Without more specifics from you  
on what you find unconvincing, I don't think I can do much more to  
take your viewpoint into account.

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