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Re: several messages

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:27:00 +0000 (UTC)
To: Simon Pieters <simonp@opera.com>
Cc: "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0907290013060.3189@hixie.dreamhostps.com>
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Simon Pieters wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:07:25 +0200, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Simon Pieters wrote:
> > > 
> > > http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/interactive-elements.html#using-the-accesskey-attribute-to-define-a-command
> > > 
> > > says
> > > 
> > > "The Action of the command is to run the focusing steps for the 
> > > element."
> > > 
> > > while all other commands the Action is basically the same as 
> > > clicking.
> > > 
> > > Shouldn't it be fire a click event instead?
> > 
> > What would clicking do?
> 
> It would run the onclick handler.

That would fail to focus the element, which seems to be a problem.

We definitely don't want to make what is an access key dependent on what 
listeneres are registered, and looking just for an "onclick" attribute 
seems confusing. So I don't really see how this can work.


> > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Simon Pieters wrote:
> > > 
> > > "An element that is focusable, has an assigned access key, and is 
> > > [not an element that already defines a command], defines a command." 
> > > http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/interactive-elements.html#using-the-accesskey-attribute-to-define-a-command
> > > 
> > > Please remove "that is focusable, ", since it seems pointless to 
> > > require that e.g.
> > > 
> > >    <div accesskey=a onclick=foo()>test</div>
> > > 
> > > should have an assigned access key that does nothing.
> > 
> > Don't use <div> for this purpose. Use <input type=button>, or 
> > <button>, or <a>.
> 
> Well, I don't disagree, but ARIA and global tabindex="" exists to 
> support using other elements for this purpose...

Do we really want to be encouraging that though?


I guess we could make any element that isn't otherwise an action and that 
has an access key into a command, and have its action focus and then 
.click() the element... Ok, done that.

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