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Re: Footnotes and sectioning roots. <figure> and <table>

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 02:23:09 +0000 (UTC)
To: Leif Halvard Silli <lhs@malform.no>
Cc: HTMLWG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0907010207010.1060@hixie.dreamhostps.com>
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
> > > 
> > > In particular the figure element, which represents a sectioning 
> > > roots element that "can be moved away from the main flow of the 
> > > document without affecting the document's meaning", needs footnotes 
> > > advice.  Because, if the footnote of a <figure> is placed outside 
> > > the figure element itself, then it isn't possible to move the 
> > > <figure> out the page without affecting the document's meaning. If 
> > > the figure was removed, and the footnote natured notes remained in 
> > > the page, those notes would be entirely meaningless. The draft 
> > > should say that footnote natured links inside a figure element 
> > > should point to footnotes inside the figure element itself. (This 
> > > does not prevent that the figure could contain links that points to 
> > > other, independent texts outside the figure element.)
> > 
> > You're misinterpreting "can be moved away from the main flow of the 
> > document". It doesn't mean "removed", it literally means "move away", 
> > e.g. to lower on the page.
> 
> OK, I see. ;-) (Laugh of myself.) However, "go away" can be synonymous 
> to "disappear". So it might be that I will not be the sole person to 
> misread this.
> 
> So perhaps the text could be made clearer? For example, you could say 
> "moved to another location on the same page".  Or "move _out of_ the 
> main flow". You might also consider saying "text" rather than "document" 
> so that one may also take in multipage documents ...

Is the new text ok?


> > > Figure elements used as table containers should be given special 
> > > attention. Firstly, table footnotes is a feature that is sought for 
> > > - see for instance Ferg [1].  Text in table cells often needs to be 
> > > short. Thus a link to a footnote might be required to explain what 
> > > the short text means. Such footnotes needs to be close to the table.
> > 
> > I don't see why they need to be close to the table. Why can't they be 
> > at the bottom of the document, e.g. as in Wikipedia?
> 
> If the authors feel they need to be close, then they need to. If you 
> want to make it a figure, then they need to ... You could say that I 
> wanted to make clear that Ferg's usecase can be solved this way.
> 
> > > [1] http://www.ferg.org/section508/htp04_proposal.html

I've added something similar to that example in the Footnotes section.

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