- From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:38:42 +0000 (UTC)
- To: James Graham <jgraham@opera.com>
- Cc: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, James Graham wrote: > Ian Hickson wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Henri Sivonen wrote: > > > > Could there be a more generic way to cite content coming from > > > > other sources than introducing a <section> element? > > > I don't support the cite attribute on any element, because it's > > > "invisible" metadata by default in browsers. I think sources should > > > be pointed at by <a href> that Just Works even in legacy UAs. > > > > The Atom conversion spec also allows <a href=... rel=bookmark> to be > > used instead of <article cite>. However, that doesn't address all the > > relevant use cases -- in particular, Chaals said he wanted hidden > > metadata to identify the source of sections of pages he edits. > > > > If there is a desire to not have this attribute, however, I'm quite > > happy to remove it. > > I think both @cite and @pubdate should be removed from the sectioning > elements. I believe Chaals' original usecase that led to the > introduction of the cite attribute was managing intranet content. > However this kind of information does not require a global shared > vocabulary; it seems that the use case would be better addressed by > using one of the several mechanisms for embedding custom data into HTML > documents. > > The pubdate attribute shares the problem of being hidden metadata and, > for its primary usecase (automatic conversion to atom) it is highly > likely to duplicate existing visible data. This seems like a > particularly problematic design. Instead it would be better to reuse the > <time> element somehow e.g. adding some attribute that indicates that it > represents the publication date of its closest ancestor section element. cite="" is gone from <Section> and <Article>. I haven't removed pubdate="" yet. I don't know what to replace it with: <article pubdate="2009-01-13">...</article> ...becoming: <time pubdate datetime="2009-01-13">...</time> ...doesn't seem like a win. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E )\._.,--....,'``. fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
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