- From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:11:02 -0400
- To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
- CC: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>, Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > > On Aug 6, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Dan Connolly wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 12:27 -0500, Shelley Powers wrote: >> >>> Is it true that the Working Group can't comment during Last Call? That >>> we have to raise issues before then? >> >> Last call is a decision that the WG is done with all the issues >> it knows about. So it's out of order for a WG member to >> be party to a decision that we've addressed all our issues >> and then turn around and send last call comments. > > Here's my understanding: > > - By Last Call, a Working Group is expected to have resolved all serious > issues within the Working Group. In practice this doesn't always happen. Perhaps not... in other groups. It is not my intent to let that happen in this group. > - There is no general rule against a Working Group member commenting on > the spec during Last Call. > - It would be out of order for a Working Group member to attempt to > reopen an issue that has been resolved by actual Working Group decision, > if they don't have new information to provide. Not because it's Last > Call, but because WG decisions can only be reopened based on new > information. > - Last Call is an appropriate time to register Formal Objections, even > from WG members. Technically, Formal Objections don't even really mean > anything before LC. You can have formal objections to any decision. As an example, hopefully soon there will be a decision to publish a Working Draft. But lets not lose site of Dan's point: a Formal Objection by a Working Group member on that decision would be out of order unless it was based on something like new information. > - It is common and accepted for WG members to comment on a spec in the > course of LC, either because they discover new issues, or because they > bring up something that may have been discussed, but not resolved by > Working Group decision. Discovering new issues => Formal Objection: accepted, but hopefully not common Items discussed, Issue raised, not resolved => Formal Objection accepted, and expected Items discussed, not raised as Issue => Formal Objection out of order > - The Working Group is obliged to formally address all Last Call > comments, whether from a WG member or not. > >>> If this is true, is Last Call still on schedule for October? Do we >>> know when in October? >> >> We can only go to last call in October if we close issues >> a lot faster than we have been. > > That I agree with. Our current rate on closing serious issues(*) is > approximately zero per year. If you extrapolate this trend, it does not > project to Last Call happening any time soon. By our charter and the > process, it is the responsibility of the Chairs to ensure that issues do > not remain open indefinitely. Acknowledged. > Regards, > Maciej > > * - By serious I mean people see resolving it as a showstopper, and > consensus is not found solely through discussion and action of the editor. - Sam Ruby
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