- From: Joe D Williams <joedwil@earthlink.net>
- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:02:19 -0700
- To: "Sam Ruby" <rubys@intertwingly.net>, "L. David Baron" <dbaron@dbaron.org>
- Cc: "John Foliot" <jfoliot@stanford.edu>, "'HTML WG'" <public-html@w3.org>
> In addition, I believe that there is a little matter of a burden of > proof. Rather than looking at what is up for review now, let's have a look at what are the best sources I have found about the roots of this discussion. (1) First (from Ian using some guidance from our gov's access board document and other data): http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/guide/1194.22.htm#(g) "Although highly recommended by some webpage designers as a way of summarizing the contents of a table, the "summary" attribute of the TABLE tag is not sufficiently supported by major assistive technology manufacturers to warrant recommendation." (2) Then (from John using some guidance from our W3C WAI/WCAG documents): http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/#gl-table-markup http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H73.html http://www.eramp.com/david/tablesample2.htm http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H63.html http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H51.html http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H39.html "H73: Using the summary attribute of the table element to give an overview of data tables ,,, The objective of this technique [using @summary] is to provide a brief overview of how data has been organized into a table or a brief explanation of how to navigate the table. The summary attribute of the table element makes this information available to people who use screen readers; the information is not displayed visually." At this time (even though I think I probably should stay clear of this because my actual keenest interest is just with <object> and bug 7075 and i see tables as more than likely just a weak fallback for better ways to provide interaction and information) all this looks sort of like the Editor made a very conscious decision to raise everyones awareness of this problem of different understandings and recommendations for @summary by following a source that is basically outside but interested in providing feedback to the W3C. From the WCAG and WAI publications it looks like those folks have been working on providing some standards for evaluating the effectiveness of @summary, @caption, and @scope and others for some time including now and that the existing stuff may well be direct responses to the gov's article. Since I am all for innovation, resonance, and synergy leading to wide consenus and many successful implementations it seems entirely reasonable for HTML5 to depend upon the current keystrokes of the specialty groups and not even bother with any details of usage in HTML5. Just deal with its functionality as a text container. Any competent accessibiity author will need further research of other more targeted W3C info and will also need to figure out what to expect from the various assistive tech agents out there anyway. So why bother with details until some/any HTML browsers do accessibility 'natively'. Later on, when the specialty group(s) has some updated research and new recommendations, it will be a lot easier to update HTML5. Thank You All and Best Regards, Joe
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