- From: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>
- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
- To: "'Lachlan Hunt'" <lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au>, "'Sam Ruby'" <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Cc: "'HTML WG'" <public-html@w3.org>
Lachlan Hunt wrote: > > The problem is that the PFWG have not presented their research. They > have only provided position statements and fallacious arguments from > authority that lack any empirical evidence whatsoever. > Lachlan, Please forgive the "street" vernacular of what I am about to say: Stuff the data! Please re-read my previous posting to you, where I said: 1) "What I've argued, from the beginning, is that in the section "12.1 Obsolete" content creators are told specifically *NOT* to use @summary. This directly contradicts WCAG 2 guidance in this matter." <John leaves everyone a minute or two for that to sink in> [To put this into pseudo-programming terminology, you have created a loop] 2) "I maintain that it is not the role of the HTML WG, and the editor in particular, to be offering this guidance, especially when it contradicts the consensus position of the W3C Group chartered to speak on web accessibility issues. Simply put, you are messing in somebody else's yard, and it is against W3C process to be doing so." <Statement of Fact> Evidence here: i) About W3C Process "Most W3C work revolves around the standardization of Web technologies. To accomplish this work, W3C follows processes[*] that promote the development of high-quality standards based on community consensus; an introduction to the W3C Process gives a sense of how we accomplish our work. All stakeholders can have a voice in the development of W3C standards, including Members large and small, as well as the public. W3C processes promote fairness, responsiveness, and progress: all facets of the W3C mission. [*http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/ ]" [source: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/process ] ii) WAI Mission and Organization "WAI develops... * guidelines which are widely regarded as the international standard for Web accessibility * support materials to help understand and implement Web accessibility * resources, through international collaboration " [source: http://www.w3.org/WAI/about.html ] iii) Protocols and Formats Working Group (PFWG) Charter "The mission of the Protocols and Formats Working Group (PFWG) (Member Confidential PFWG) is to increase the support for accessibility in Web specifications. This mission flows from the W3C mission of promoting universal access and interoperability across the Web." [source: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/charter200612 ] 3) "If HTML WG feel that they have compelling evidence and data that suggests that the WCAG guidance needs to be reviewed and revised, there is a process for that, and it is not by running a short cut via HTML 5 Working Draft." <summary conclusion based upon data and evidence presented> ***************** Playing By The Rules: By the evidence presented above, there are *rules* for achieving progress at the W3C. This is important: the W3C is a large, multi-facetted, internationally supported organization that oversees numerous initiatives (many in various states of progress) that affect how the web as we know it works today. Large organizations need protocols, processes, and mechanisms to ensure that what is produced by that organization truly reflects all parties within that organization. In contrast, "The WHATWG process isn’t democratic. There’s no voting on issues. Instead, Hixie acts as a self-described benevolent dictator who decides what goes into and what comes out of the spec." - Jeremy Keith [1], (recapping anecdotal evidence propagated around the web today). By all appearances, you and others are happy with that arrangement; others however are not. So last Friday, I set into motion an illustration of why the WHAT WG process is flawed - using WHAT WG rules. As an alternative Editor, I invoked 'benevolent dictator' status and made a minor change to an existing document that is clearly licensed [2] to allow me to do so. I then submitted that alternative Draft to the Working Group Chairs for consideration as the next Working Draft. [3] By all appearances now, this has caused a state of 'crisis' within the Working Group as there are now 2 Editors Drafts vying for the status of next Working Draft. While I can appreciate that this is seen by many as a real issue, (and others as a 'political game') it is an issue that was created *simply because I used the WHAT WG rules of engagement* instead of the W3C rules. As well, throughout this entire exercise, I have provided thousands upon thousands of words of explanation, justification and interpretation of "my data set", data that I have used to reach the positions and conclusions that I have reached. Finally, I have offered numerous alternative proposals to the WHAT WG editor over the past 72 hours that would satisfy my concerns and re-align the WHAT WG version of the Draft Specification to what I believe is the W3C position regarding consensus. Those alternatives remain on the table still [4]. ***************** Conclusion I don't know any other way of stating this case. I have tried here (and via other emails to the list) to present the 'data' that I am working with in multiple ways, and have outlined, step-by-step how I have arrived at the conclusion I reached, using the data I have available. I have used both W3C 'rules', as well as WHAT WG 'rules', and I think that it is pretty obvious to all why the WHAT WG 'rules' have an underlying flaw. I do not seek to re-write WHAT WG rules - if you and that group are happy with them, then please by all means continue to use them. But as an active member of the W3C HTML WG I believe that today I can state (and have illustrated) that those 'rules' are in conflict with W3C 'rules', and the HTML WG must decide which rules they will use. My alternate Draft document will hopefully be the catalyst for that decision. JF [1 http://adactio.com/journal/1600/ ] [2 "The WHATWG version of this specification is available under a license that permits reuse of the specification text." http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-html5-20090423/ ] [3 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/0080.html ] [4 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/0090.html ]
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