- From: Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
- Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:12:50 -0700
- To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- CC: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
Either issuing a new working draft is procedural or substantive; it's either a pro-forma "must do" that has no particular meaning other than a ritual working groups go through, or it represents some amount of judgment by the working group as to the maturity of the documents in question and their agreement that the documents represent -- better -- their overall belief as to what the spec should say. The expectation is that normally the publication of a new Working Draft represents substantive technical progress, and the "heartbeat" requirement there not as some ritual hoop to jump through, but to insure that working groups are actually making progress toward technical agreement. Otherwise, groups that are making *no* progress could continue to issue random variations of their documents without actually discussing and coming to agreement on the issues before them. However, I don't want to debate the W3C process document and interpretations of it, but just ask additional informative data. Sam suggested the poll be restricted to: > 1) Publish Ian's draft as is, along with the HTML 5 differences > from HTML 4. [SR] > 3) Publish Ian's draft, the HTML 5 differences from HTML 4, and > Mike's draft. [LM, JF1] > 4) Instruct Mike Smith to work with Ian to incorporate [text to > be provided by John Foliot] into Ian's draft [JF2] But these are all procedural questions. People may have different opinions about the procedural issue or the nature of the "heartbeat" requirement that I discussed above, and the proposed poll as stated obscures individual technical opinion from the procedural one. If there is going to be a poll, why not ALSO ask about technical assessment of document content and the substantive questions which have been raised and not resolved? ** "Comparing Ian's current editor's draft to the previous public Working Draft published by this working group...." while a Yes or No would be sufficient, a scale would be better, e.g., 1. Strongly agree 2. agree 3. neutral, unsure 4. disagree 5. strongly disagree Main question: "Overall, the editor's draft is an improvement to the previous public Working Draft" Additional questions related to this might include asking the working group members and other mailing list subscribers to rank these statements: a) "My assessment would increase if the text from John Follett on table@summary were included" b) "My assessment would increase if the inclusion of specifications overlapping the IETF vCard specification were removed" c) " My assessment would increase if the text discussing the desirability of a common video codec were restored" d) "My assessment would increase if material on microdata were removed" e) "my assessement would increase if material on integration of RDFa were included." .... and perhaps other questions relating to issues for which working group consensus has been elusive. This would be a "straw poll" from which consensus on technical judgment rather than procedural issues could be judged. The poll on technical assessment of the documents in question can be decoupled from the procedural decision of whether the document is, in fact, published in order to meet the W3C heartbeat process requirement. When announcing the availability of a new Working Draft, it is typical in most W3C working groups that a new public draft after several months represents an improvement in working group approval. If it is clear that there is considerable disagreement about whether the new Working Draft is an improvement from the previous editor's draft, then even if there is a majority of members polled who favor publication the facts around the ovarall technical assessment and any substantive disagreements could reasonably be expected to be part of the announcement. On the poll itself, I'd need to review the document and the issues again, but I think I would "strongly disagree" with the main question and either Agree or Strongly Agree with most of the rest (I'd need to work on it a bit) except for (e) for which I think my vote would be "neutral". Regards, Larry -- http://larry.masinter.net
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